Official WarSeer Warhammer 40,000 6th Edition discussion thread

[benogham]

I believe GW game designers are not total fools. They will put restrictions on this snap shot rule : something like shooter hasn't shot in previous turn and/or didn't move and/or have a special weapon type (rapid fire comes to mind) and/or have no target within X inches at the beginning of the turrn and/or succeed a Ld test.
Some of these restrictions will have to be there somehow as otherwise, that rule will kill the use of too much units. Tyranids, wyches, kommandos to name a very few.
Be confident, brothers... If the edition is indeed 'infantry orientated', they won't put half of the units in the trash bin just like that. There will be some balance, somehow.

[Nogginthenog]

It just sounds to me like two guys discussing the same rumours we all are, namely the ones posted on Faeit 212 (29 Apr - Randomly generated) and Blood of Kittens (5 May - Selected during deployment)

There's their 2 different "sources"

or more likely, they know people who can leak information.

You have to remember they are well in with Mantic, Warlord et al, all based in Nottingham and ALL filled with ex GW employees, the UK wargaming industry is extremely insular, its likely they all know what each other are doing.

They gave out rules as well as the sketches for the flyers, so its not like they got image scans, they've seen the rules, its far mor elikely they get that from the nottingham end of the chain than the printing end, because it was so early, we know the distribution leaks come , well, now, a week before dwarf goes on sale.

[Tzeentch2003]

3. While realistic, this seems like a very flawed idea as assaulting with anything less than a unit with a 4+ save or greater suddenly becomes a death trap as most units have guns with AP 5. Units with lower armor would be at an even greater disadvantage. Tar pits become ineffective as your opponent gets free attacks before you hit them. Granted, you can snap shots off as you charge in with pistols, but again not everyone has pistols. Seems a bit broken to me.

If it only triggers off of consolidate moves, particularly at a penalty to BS, then I think it won't be too bad. Particularly when you contrast it with the current situation, which is winning an assault and then standing around to get shot by everyone, not just the one unit.

[Caitsidhe]

I believe GW game designers are not total fools.

There went your credibility in this discussion.

[Ba'al Starslayer]

(Forgive me if this has been mentioned before)
Just been thinking about this rumoured "Hull Point" razzmatazz.... is it just me or will this make GK better? Their Psyflemen are already good against light vehicles and S8 can even glance a LR/Monolith to death now. Same with their lovely Psycannons and Assault Cannons with Psybolts that can rend their way to glances and penetrates galore.

Along with this, the Stormtalon seems quite good too if Hull Points are real - for a respectable points cost it can dish out a decent amount of pain, even if it is only AV11...

[Carlosophy]

Snap Fire is balanced by the fact that is is done at BS1 and probably doesn't allow template or heavy weapons to shoot. 20 Orks charging 10 Marines would only suffer 0.8 casualties as a result and assuming snap fire stops you from attacking I imagine it is meant for units like guardsmen and Fire Warriors who tend to crumple in assault to a teabag.

[Formerly Wu]

Snap Fire is balanced by the fact that is is done at BS1 and probably doesn't allow template or heavy weapons to shoot. 20 Orks charging 10 Marines would only suffer 0.8 casualties as a result and assuming snap fire stops you from attacking I imagine it is meant for units like guardsmen and Fire Warriors who tend to crumple in assault to a teabag.

So less than 1 casualty from bolters? Doesn't seem much use for Guard and their puny lasguns. Makes one wonder what's even the point.

[Sami]

I don't know, it seems like a perfect use for assault weapons too... wait, GK have Storm Bolters which are Assault 2... RAPID FIRE WEAPONS ONLY!!!

[DeviLution]

If it only triggers off of consolidate moves, particularly at a penalty to BS, then I think it won't be too bad. Particularly when you contrast it with the current situation, which is winning an assault and then standing around to get shot by everyone, not just the one unit.

Which, even if we get 'consolidate into assualt' back, that could still happen.

Seriously, I love how people have their feathers so thoroughly ruffled over snap fire. It's amusing to watch it be reviled like this, since it's absolutely situational at best, and absurdly pointless at worst. I see it as being a rule addition as game changing and mind boggingly broken as vehicles ramming. <rolls eyes>

[TheWarmaster]

What's this I hear about deathwing/Dark Angels and CSM being in the new starter set?
I might finally get me a power-armoured army.

[drbored]

What's this I hear about deathwing/Dark Angels and CSM being in the new starter set?
I might finally get me a power-armoured army.

Apparently the starter set will include terminators and bikes, and a terminator captain that may or may not be Belial on the Dark Angels side, and on the Chaos side there will be a dreadnought, some possessed, some cultists, and a sorcerer, and more for each side, I'm sure.

[Tzeentch2003]

Which, even if we get 'consolidate into assualt' back, that could still happen.

Seriously, I love how people have their feathers so thoroughly ruffled over snap fire. It's amusing to watch it be reviled like this, since it's absolutely situational at best, and absurdly pointless at worst. I see it as being a rule addition as game changing and mind boggingly broken as vehicles ramming. <rolls eyes>

Err... are you referring to my feathers here? Because as a matter of policy I am unruffled by rumored rules changes - without knowing the details of a given change and what other changes might interact with that rule there is simply no way to predict what it will mean for the game.

[Poncho160]

Just a little titbit, was in a GW today and one of the red shirts said that word had come down from HQ and the 6th edition codexes will stay in their current format instead of going to hardback. Should keep the price down if true.

[Hokiecow]

Meeh, makes no difference to me. I'm pretty ruff on my books, so paperback is preferable.

[geoffkemp]

Just a little titbit, was in a GW today and one of the red shirts said that word had come down from HQ and the 6th edition codexes will stay in their current format instead of going to hardback. Should keep the price down if true.

I hope that is not true, I was looking forward to hard back codices as I feel the presentation of the current WHFB army books are far superior in hard-cover.

[Sami]

I would like to have the codex in colour but am not fussed about whether it is softback or hardback.

[Azzy]

I'd prefer softcover for something I'm going to be referencing in a game.

[DeviLution]

Err... are you referring to my feathers here? Because as a matter of policy I am unruffled by rumored rules changes - without knowing the details of a given change and what other changes might interact with that rule there is simply no way to predict what it will mean for the game.

I quoted your comment because I was agreeing with you, in fact.

My comment was meant to convey my amusement at the gnashing of teeth over a rumoured rule that we don't know the full wording of, or even if it's going to be printed. Especially when said rule is, as I pointed out, not in any danger whatsoever of breaking the game.

If you aren't one of the OH NO SNAP FIRE THE SKY IS FALLING crowd then no, I didn't mean you.

[Azzy]

I quoted your comment because I was agreeing with you, in fact.

My comment was meant to convey my amusement of people endlessly debating a rumoured rule that we don't know the full wording of, or even if it's going to be printed. Especially when said rule is, as I pointed out, not in any danger whatsoever of breaking the game.

If you aren't one of the OH NO SNAP FIRE THE SKY IS FALLING crowd then no, I didn't mean you.

Bah!

On Warseer, the sky is ALWAYS falling.

[DeviLution]

Bah!

On Warseer, the sky is ALWAYS falling.

No joke. Just once, I'd like to see the universe throw us a Boris Karloff inspired curveball, wherein WarSeer falls on the sky.