Official WarSeer Warhammer 40,000 6th Edition discussion thread

[Wrath]

edit: unless WD will be coming out on a different weekend this time.

Currently listed as the 23rd, Bramgaunt says 6th will hit on the 30th.

Edit: damned ninjas! [/old man withers voice]

[Commissar Merces]

Personally, I am a big amused by everyone at my local store basically telling our manager "we aren't buying anything till we see the new book, even with price increases."

This wait is just awful. Better be worth it.

[tuebor]

I'm really impressed at how GW has managed to control information leaks this time around. At this point before 4th and 5th editions we had a pretty good idea what was going to be in them and by comparison we know pretty much nothing about 6th.

[Warpcrafter]

I'm really impressed at how GW has managed to control information leaks this time around. At this point before 4th and 5th editions we had a pretty good idea what was going to be in them and by comparison we know pretty much nothing about 6th.

Totally. Before this proximity to the release date for fifth ed., there was nearly enough of it in The Dude's rumors thread to play it. Perhaps the leakhammer rules are close to the truth after all, and this is just a typical GW radical swing of the pendulum the other way, followed by a hardcore denial campaign that the leakhammer ever came out in the first place. I could be wrong, but that's my analysis.

[RandomThoughts]

Just my small add on the armor save modification topic:
While modifiers could be good, I still believe these should be based on the weapons AP value rather then it's strenght. We are talking sci-fi where a weapon can be exmtremely powerful as long as it is against an unarmored target. A target with armor... Well, the armor will work fine.

Also, just to add a bit of "logic" to it: Most modern armors are mainly all-or-nothing in regards of protection. Either that rounds go through and wound the soldier, or the armor holds and the soldier is left unwounded but with his heart racing. To be honest even medieval armors are basically the same. But we are talking sci-fi now.

All right, let's talk logic:
AP determines the ability to penetrate armor, STR the damage it does to the content of the armor. That what you're saying? So how come it's suddenly the other way round on vehicles? Strength suddenly determines if you get through the AV or not, and AP affects (slightly) the damage done to the content of the vehicle...

Nope, not really convinced by that kin of logic.
And to be honest, I don't really see why we need the distinction in the first place.

[bobafett_h]

My understanding is that the AV of a vehicle is instead of a toughness value. When you roll to penetrate the vehicle with the strength of the attack, it is like rolling to wound infantry. What comes next though is that infantry usually have some kind of armour to block the shot. Remember that the armour of a vehicle is also the skin/body of the machine as armour is not worn over the top like for infantry. Shields/force fields/cover saves and things are different exceptions of course and normally provide different forms of protection, but they are also rare and don't come into place until after a shot is worked out to have glanced/penetrated just like how an armour save is not done until after wounds are worked out.

While it is true that AP values of weapons determines how good a gun is at penetrating through armour of infantry, only AP1 has any effect on helping with that against vehicles. However, there is currently no difference between AP1 and AP2 against infantry. They both ignore all normal armour saves so a melta gun is typically not as effective against Terminators as a plasma gun is since they at least have extra range and can be rapid fired for normally the same points cost. If AP1 weapons were to have the ability of reducing invulnerable saves by 1 while still ignoring normal armour saves, then it would help make up for the nerf to power weapons if they do indeed go to AP3...

[Popsical]

Interestingly GW 40k open day on the 14th July has a "immense" flyer dogfight participation game versus the miniatures designers...
It could just be showcasing the current releases or something more concerning the 6th rules?...
Food for thought.

[The_Auditor]

Also implies this day coincides with a major release and offers the opportunity to talk to the people behind the latest version. Might be that 30th June is wrong and actually 14th is release date?

[BramGaunt]

The 14th as a release date would rule out the french market for the opening day, since it's their national holliday, like July 4th for the US or october 3rd for Germany. Most definatly not Also, can you imagine the utter Chaos to have 100+ people playing with rules they just bought?

[The_Auditor]

Chaos is very apt no?

Have been told by WW that the Throne of Skulls the following weekend will be run under whatever rules are published at that time. Also sounds like chaos. 250 people playing tournament games with rules they've barely had time to read, possibly with a new force org chart. I pity the refs that weekend. I'm going and I'm worried my army that I've worked hard to paint will be made illegal, with little time to put it right (have few other painted units for the army I'm taking).

GW does like chaos it seems

[Marked_by_chaos]

Interestingly GW 40k open day on the 14th July has a "immense" flyer dogfight participation game versus the miniatures designers...
It could just be showcasing the current releases or something more concerning the 6th rules?...
Food for thought.

You will have noticed the participation psyker only duels then

[madden]

Pure speculation
On the stormtalon rules (hover strike) possibly the change between fast skimmers and normal skimmers could be due to bringing back a version of 4th(I think) cc against skimmers I.e always needing to roll to hit in cc wether they moved or not. It could be 4's for skimmers but 6's for fast skimmers rather than stationary auto hits slow on 4's etc like now this would be nice and add an extra level for skimmer vehicles as now there just weaker armoured than others and there only protection is speed but using it means they generally cant do anything else. What do peeps think? or should I go back to lurking.

[althathir]

Personally, I am a big amused by everyone at my local store basically telling our manager "we aren't buying anything till we see the new book, even with price increases."

This wait is just awful. Better be worth it.

Yeah the wait is driving me crazy as well, but I think its the local stores that really can't wait because thats fairly similiar to how most people I know are approaching it.

Also implies this day coincides with a major release and offers the opportunity to talk to the people behind the latest version. Might be that 30th June is wrong and actually 14th is release date?

It would seem like people would want to talk the designers after they had some time to find out whats different. 30th sounds about right, I just can't see GW going for much more than a month without a brb for sale.

[Gingerwerewolf]

The 14th as a release date would rule out the french market for the opening day, since it's their national holliday, like July 4th for the US or october 3rd for Germany. Most definatly not Also, can you imagine the utter Chaos to have 100+ people playing with rules they just bought?

And

Chaos is very apt no?

Have been told by WW that the Throne of Skulls the following weekend will be run under whatever rules are published at that time. Also sounds like chaos. 250 people playing tournament games with rules they've barely had time to read, possibly with a new force org chart. I pity the refs that weekend. I'm going and I'm worried my army that I've worked hard to paint will be made illegal, with little time to put it right (have few other painted units for the army I'm taking).

GW does like chaos it seems

Not wanting to discredit the 30th of June but that the 40k Doubles weekend. So could you imagine a tournament, with 200 odd players, playing with rules they just bought exactly as you two both say above?

The point being Warhammer World organise their events independantly of the main GW release schedule. Officially they know no more than a normal Store does, though Im willing to bet they talk to the designers a bit more.

Almost every weekend around then has something on in Warhammer World. With the exception of the 7th and 8th.

The only thing that Id say is that the 14th is a bit late IMO. Im still reckoning on WD on the 23rd. Preorders on the 23rd, and release weekend of the 30th June or the 7th of July

[Bartali]

The more I read about 6th, the more I believe it's been focused grouped for new people playing demo games in GW retail.

I would imagine dice rolling came out high in the fun stakes for people new to the game, hence the seaming increase in the amount of dice rolled at every available opportunity for 6th ed

[SunTzu]

That's just following the precedent of Warhammer. In 8th Ed pretty much everything you do has a random element. Not just "do you hit, and do you kill", but how far you can move, and even what the scenery does.

Come to that most of the army books and codices have big random charts in them nowadays. Want to know what your Flagellants do, or what happens if your big shiny new war machine misfires? Roll a dice and look it up on a chart! Because that's what's fun now apparently!

[Theocracity]

That's just following the precedent of Warhammer. In 8th Ed pretty much everything you do has a random element. Not just "do you hit, and do you kill", but how far you can move, and even what the scenery does.

Come to that most of the army books and codices have big random charts in them nowadays. Want to know what your Flagellants do, or what happens if your big shiny new war machine misfires? Roll a dice and look it up on a chart! Because that's what's fun now apparently!

I think you need to get in touch with your inner Ork .

I agree it can be overdone, and I understand why competetive people hate it, but I honestly love yelling 'RAMSHACKLE!' as my trukks blow up.

[Austinitor]

Let us hope that random, when inflicted on everyone, makes things a bit more balanced, e.g. less reliable auto-wins for Wardian armies.

[Bartali]

^^^^ It's the quick/cheap/lazy way of balancing a game. No need to publish good rules or balanced codexes, just make every unit a Chaos Spawn !

[bukem]

^^^^ It's the quick/cheap/lazy way of balancing a game. No need to publish good rules or balanced codexes, just make every unit a Chaos Spawn !

At the same time, it adds a bit more merit to the player when they win. Instead of just looking at the table and pre determining the odds of how you'll achieve victory, it'll show the caliber of the player if they can deal with sudden changes in the game plan and still win.

Kinda like life, everyone is given something random, it's what you do with what you're given that matters. You want a cold and calculating game, go play warmachine.