WarSeer Official Discussion of the 'leaked' 6th Ed Rule Set

[Wintermute]

Games Workshop are making it known that the 'leaked' 6th Ed Rules pdf is a hoax.

We at Warseer were reluctant to discuss the leaked pdf because we very quickly recognised it for what it truly was.

Now GW has distanced itself from 'leaked document, we now are happy for it to be discussed on WarSeer, but only in this thread.

As usual any and all off-topic comments will be removed without warning.

Wintermute

[ForgottenLore]

What is the evidence that it is a hoax? I have seen some compelling arguments in both directions.

My thing is, the leaked document has a large number of striking similarities to the Blood of Kittens info dump from last June (tiered special rules, change of turn structure), and a couple of the more reliable rumor mongers here said at the time that those rumors 'hit more than they missed'.

[Sunshine and Night]

What is the evidence that it is a hoax? I have seen some compelling arguments in both directions.

My thing is, the leaked document has a large number of striking similarities to the Blood of Kittens info dump from last June (tiered special rules, change of turn structure), and a couple of the more reliable rumor mongers here said at the time that those rumors 'hit more than they missed'.

You could argue that a hoax(/leaked) ruleset delibrately!(Playing devils advocate) uses those rumors as a base!

But, Yes, can someone show me(we?,us?) how its a definate fake?

[Eddie Chaos]

What is the evidence that it is a hoax? I have seen some compelling arguments in both directions.

My thing is, the leaked document has a large number of striking similarities to the Blood of Kittens info dump from last June (tiered special rules, change of turn structure), and a couple of the more reliable rumor mongers here said at the time that those rumors 'hit more than they missed'.

yes but any Hoaxers would also have read that info dump

[Marked_by_chaos]

Whilst it could be a hoax it seems hard to believe that it is entirely incredible

1. The sheer amount of time that would have to be taken
2. It is cross referenced and nuanced to a degree that would have taken significant time to playtest
3. The sheer size
4. I think people are too hung up on typo's or presentation. If it genuinely is May 2010 then it would be consistent with a mid-late playtest draft. I'd be suprised if a few things weren't tweaked or tightened up but surely the final rules would only go off for proper proof reading and smartening up a few months before the book was sent to print. That would still be constitent with the timeline.

[Theocracity]

I have a really hard time believing that these rules are a hoax, just based on the amount of work that's gone into it. If the person(s) responsible for this aren't professional game designers, they should be (and need a real job), and if they are professional game designers they'd be working on their own game - not 40K's.

Even previous convincing hoaxes have, in retrospect, betrayed the essential fan-nature of their content. The Blood Angels dex, for example, had a cavalry unit of Blood Angels riding giant vampire bats - which, coming on the heels of the Space Wolves codex, was a huge red flag.

I think what's shocking about this set is that it manages to change everything without really changing anything. There are new tactical considerations, and certain units have more utility options than before, but most units will move, shoot or assault basically the same way they do now.

In addition, the picayune nature of some of the content speaks to me as something that is either the sign of a real developer (if it's professional) or someone on the autism spectrum (if it's a hoax). The FAQs in particular are full of notes that change absolutely nothing except update the terminology to match the new rules set.

And I also don't believe that this was a fan-dex that was compiled without intention of being a hoax. Besides all the extraneous text designed to write like a GW codex, there's several references that hawk GW products - some of which don't even exist yet, like the 'Vehicle Damage Dice.' If this isn't official, it's hard to believe it wasn't intended to be a hoax.

I'm fully willing to believe, however, that the content of the docs was professionally developed by GW but don't have anything to do with 6th edition rules as they will appear. That way, it's fine to claim they're fake - because they won't appear as they are, regardless of the fact that they could have been.

[Wintermute]

What is the evidence that it is a hoax?

I take it you haven't seen this:

According to reds8n over at dakka there will be an email distributed to UK stores saying that the rules are not genuine and have nothing to do with GW. News of that should hit tomorrow or so and it would probably be wise to await further indication that something is/isn't happening.

which was posted two days ago?

[Ozorik]

I take it you haven't seen this:
which was posted two days ago?

I have seen it and I will believe it to be true when ever the first hard copies of 6th ed are actually released. I don't trust GW in this area, they have a vested interest in denying leaks at the moment and its not as if it hasn't happened before.

I find it quite amusing that this leak has had such an overwhelmingly positive response.

[Badruk]

According to reds8n over at dakka there will be an email distributed to UK stores saying that the rules are not genuine and have nothing to do with GW. News of that should hit tomorrow or so and it would probably be wise to await further indication that something is/isn't happening.

The only thing I have trouble with this, is why GW will release a note about "the fake leak"...
There been "fake codex PDF" before and they never said a danm word about it, why now!

[reds8n]

The only thing I have trouble with this, is why GW will release a note about "the fake leak"...
There been "fake codex PDF" before and they never said a danm word about it, why now!

I can assure you that stores -- in the Uk anyway, I make no claim with regards to elsewhere -- were sent a message from head office which specifically claims that this document is a hoax and not a GW document.

[Bubble Ghost]

I can assure you that stores -- in the Uk anyway, I make no claim with regards to elsewhere -- were sent a message from head office which specifically claims that this document is a hoax and not a GW document.

I don't doubt it. But thing is, having worked in both a GW store (for my sins) and in the design studio, I find it far easier to believe that GW would deny the legitimacy of the thing to their shop staff than to make the giant leaps of faith required to consider this a total forgery. As alternatives go, that's not even a contest - anything they tell their shop staff proves nothing either way, because they would not hesitate to lie to them. Mighty Iraq will be victorious KABOOM the infidel Americans are nowhere near Baghdad KABOOOOOOOOOM

[Sunshine and Night]

Ninja'd!

But yes this is the interwebz anyone could read it even Her Majesty, The Queen!

I take it Satan, is a reliable source?

[Wintermute]

reds8n is reliable and is also a member here.

[Charax]

Right, 'cos GW have never spread misinformation about any of their upcoming products ever, right.

Hey, remember when Space Hulk didn't come out? That was a massive disappointment.

[Project2501]

Right, 'cos GW have never spread misinformation about any of their upcoming products ever, right.

Hey, remember when Space Hulk didn't come out? That was a massive disappointment.

How about when 5th was a hoax too and never came out? Awesome job of censorship and misinformation GamesWarseer...

[Sunshine and Night]

If it is truly a fake, then I will make a new tabletop game with those rules!

[otakuzoku]

If it is truly a fake, then I will make a new tabletop game with those rules!

go for it and if for some reason gw say anything later thay told everyone its nothing to do with them.

i vote we call it "leakhammer"

[StratManKudzu]

go for it and if for some reason gw say anything later thay told everyone its nothing to do with them.

i vote we call it "leakhammer 40K"

Fixed it for you

[Marshal]

If it is truly a fake, then I will make a new tabletop game with those rules!

Can't, I already claimed it as my own work 2 days ago on another forum, therefore it's mine for the stealing making...

[EpicWarGamer]

If it is truly a fake, then I will make a new tabletop game with those rules!

I call it SmashHammer 20000. Its a great rules set!