Heh, this conversation is actually kind of funny, as the 4th Edition codex is basically a more advanced 3rd Edition codex, then a chopping of 3.5.
But considering the trends of every codex since Space Marines 5th, we're likely to see the options of 3.5 + the 5th Edition design scheme + a bit more fun options.
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Originally Posted by Megavolt
"More advanced"? Even compared to that codex, little more than a pamphlet, the 4th edition codex is quite chopped down.
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Firstly on the lack of options points, I more meanta World Eaters list looked the same as another World Eaters list- the restrictions were such you were forced down certain paths. Admittedly that gave you circa 9 lists- but the powt level fluctuated largely between them in my experience and it was telling how tourney lists were iron warriors or daemon bomb.
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This makes a lot of sense now you say it, as players were esentially limited to a Marine or Deamon Troop option and a few other things that could have their mark. But compared to building a legion list with the 4th Codex? Now we're limits to a single troop choice and that's about it as your other list entries only have icons not marks. And to make matters worse the only points effective HQ in the current Codex is the Deamon prince which many feel is cheep as chips.
And I agree, people who have reason to hate the current Codex would be lining up to stick the boot in while defenders of it (if there are any!) wouldn't be reading forums like this one! However I have friends who work for GW & I know that there was a customer back lash as soon as the 4th version codex was released. The replacement has been a long time coming, especially when they've been releasing single Chapter codex's for Marines. I'll be amazed if everyone is happy with the new Codex. We're a hard bunch to please, but I like to think its because we care!
The 3.0 edition codex was terrible by itself, I'll give you that. But at least Chapter Approved (Cult Terminators and Chaos Cultists, anyone?) and the Index Astartes lists added some flavour, even if it did start the "Themed List = Restricted Options" snowball.
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The release of the storm talon will probably see the Chaos Codex definately get some form of skimmer or flying support. Probably not a landspeeder, but maybe a hellblade or chaos storm talon. Whatever it is, it's 99% probable that Chaos will get something (maybe a huge flying deamon)
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Probably, all things considered... but I try not to assume anything that GW might do based on logic. That's a foreign concept to them...
We already have those. Yes, I know, you mean bigger and faster ones. Just keep in mind though, we already have big flying daemons, the idea that we need MORE is kind of... um, not something I find any enthusiasm for. If you want Codex Big Flying Gribbly Gobs, go play Tyranids.Whatever it is, it's 99% probable that Chaos will get something (maybe a huge flying deamon
This is Codex Spike Marines, though, and I'd prefer they give the spikey marines their overdue renaissance, thanks.
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GW seems to me to be like... a trireme. One that's caught in a maelstrom, with accountants at the oars all on one side pulling for money, and gamers on the other pulling to get out of the maelstrom... and where Captain Jervis is sipping tea at the wheel, looking aft, thinking he's standing at the bow looking forward, with a wispy smile and a vacantly amused expression on his face, oblivious to it all. Who wins in the end... the gamers, or the accountants?
Neither. The maelstrom wins.
Daemon Engine......The release of the storm talon will probably see the Chaos Codex definately get some form of skimmer or flying support. Probably not a landspeeder, but maybe a hellblade or chaos storm talon. Whatever it is, it's 99% probable that Chaos will get something (maybe a huge flying deamon
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How does it stay in the air? Oh, it's powered by pure handwavium
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The question is whether the spikey marines will be crusty old timers saying "Get off my lawn!" to the Imperium or of it will be the young upstarts like Huron causing trouble again... Who knows, maybe it will be both and the Imperium will have their collective hands full again? Either way, the line needs freshening up.
Now if the rumoured flyer is to dragons as the FW Brass Scorpion is to scorpions, it might look pretty cool.
Indeed. Though honestly I don't care if we get A - a Legions book and a Renegades book, or B - a Chaos book that again tries to cover both Legions and Renegades. What I care about is them doing a decent job on whichever book or books they write.
Ugh, really, the Chaos dragon was disproven, or so I thought. BoK's source said he didn't mention the dragon as being Chaos in nature. That said, if every army ends up with fliers, I'd prefer the Chaos entries included a transport capable of embarking Terminators.
GW seems to me to be like... a trireme. One that's caught in a maelstrom, with accountants at the oars all on one side pulling for money, and gamers on the other pulling to get out of the maelstrom... and where Captain Jervis is sipping tea at the wheel, looking aft, thinking he's standing at the bow looking forward, with a wispy smile and a vacantly amused expression on his face, oblivious to it all. Who wins in the end... the gamers, or the accountants?
Neither. The maelstrom wins.
I don't think that rumour has been conclusively dealt with. There seems to be some back and forth on the matter, so it is hard to say whether it is a valid rumour or a reverb of some kind at this point. The word "dragon" keeps getting used associated with some daemon engine, so I figure the term is descriptive or metaphorical at the most.
Hopefully it'll be both, which would be a good way to help with "Chaos as big bad" line going around for 6th. Not just against the Imperium, but for the interplay between the older Legions and the newer guys... I really liked how that was done in Blood Reaver, and would like to see some of it brought over to the codex.
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Indeed. Capturing some of the flavour from Black Library's output would be aces.
Hmm, sounds like I'll have to look up a copy of Blood Reaver if it involves Legions and Renegades fighting relatively together.
One thing as far as the question of - Is it Legions or is it Renegades - one of the ONLY parts of WHFB I'd like to see in 40k (not a dig on Fantasy, I just prefer seperation between the two) is multiple Chaos books that can be used together. Whether or not that's something that can be done in Fantasy currently or not - I honestly haven't the foggiest about that game really - I think that in 40k, there's room for four Chaos books:
Legions
Renegade Marines
Traitor Guard
and of course, Daemons
Note this is my opinion on how many books could be done not a rumor - and BAH! I hate that it feels like I have to use disclaimers sometimes...
Anyways. Like I say, I feel there's room for those four, and room in the game for the four to be used seperate or together, but that comes with it's own problems. We' ve heard a few whispers about multiple Chaos books, but not recently, and I have to say that's one thing about these Chaos rumors that's been mildly dissapointing.
Right now, no matter what THIS upcoming Chaos book turns out to hold inside - or NOT hold inside, as the case may be - I just hope the rules are written WELL, and that the army is once again competitive.
GW seems to me to be like... a trireme. One that's caught in a maelstrom, with accountants at the oars all on one side pulling for money, and gamers on the other pulling to get out of the maelstrom... and where Captain Jervis is sipping tea at the wheel, looking aft, thinking he's standing at the bow looking forward, with a wispy smile and a vacantly amused expression on his face, oblivious to it all. Who wins in the end... the gamers, or the accountants?
Neither. The maelstrom wins.
The easiest and most sensible way to deal with this would be a single page in the new codex which deals with daemonic allies. This page would state that you can select units x, y and z, what percentage of your force you can allocate to them and how they deploy etc.
You could even include it as a 'wargear' item which you purchase for your HQ - call it 'Deamonic Pact'. Very fluffy for those who want to play Word Bearers.
I can't think of one good reason why this would be a bad idea.
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Any way of having some way of fielding Daemons, other than the manner that the 4th ed Codex used, is a good one. IE, as long as we have a variety of demons able to be fielded, that's great. Only two ways of doing it wrong, I think - keeping it the way it is now, or removing them entirely.
GW seems to me to be like... a trireme. One that's caught in a maelstrom, with accountants at the oars all on one side pulling for money, and gamers on the other pulling to get out of the maelstrom... and where Captain Jervis is sipping tea at the wheel, looking aft, thinking he's standing at the bow looking forward, with a wispy smile and a vacantly amused expression on his face, oblivious to it all. Who wins in the end... the gamers, or the accountants?
Neither. The maelstrom wins.
Traito guard dont really need a codex, they have one already
You mean as in taking options from the Demon Codex? I can think of at least a couple of reasons why GW would think that's a bad idea. For a start it forces people to go out and buy two different books just to be able to use their army. And while you might say GW would benefit from people then maybe doing both it is rather annoying to buy your shiny new codex and then find out that actually, it's only half the stuff you want in it. Secondly, it creates all sorts of compatibility, balance and rules issues when you have two different lists that have to work together like that. They might want to change the Demon list in ways that won't work well with the format they created for the Chaos list, or that would otherwise create problems meaning you then have to either not do any changes to the Demon list, or have to errata potentially a lot of things. And of course there are the issue of annoying players of one army when you make another army their army plus a lot of other stuff.
In the reality you live in, or the reality I live in?
Seriously. Traitor guard are more than just Guard armies with spikes. Where's a traitor guard list that has marks? Mutants? Spawn? Daemons? Daemon Engines? Maybe even Marines as cannon fodder herders?
And don't tell me Lost and Damned from the EoT book, either, because we both know there's zero point in using that.
GW seems to me to be like... a trireme. One that's caught in a maelstrom, with accountants at the oars all on one side pulling for money, and gamers on the other pulling to get out of the maelstrom... and where Captain Jervis is sipping tea at the wheel, looking aft, thinking he's standing at the bow looking forward, with a wispy smile and a vacantly amused expression on his face, oblivious to it all. Who wins in the end... the gamers, or the accountants?
Neither. The maelstrom wins.
Jumping in on the traitor guard thing, sorry. Seriously, it takes an astartes to get +1A from khorne, what would a regular mortal get, +½A? I really don't know why marks would be something more than a visual and fluffy thing in renegade guard armies... I agree that they could use rules for daemons and such, but that's what apoc and double plays are for. I'm quite content with using the IG codex for my traitors, or the FW list.
The rumours don't seem to support them being in the new codex anyway, and even the Alpha Legion don't need upgraded cultists, we use our deviousness in other areas anyway...
...so, did I hear correctly that the new CSM codex was to be hardcover?
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