Codex: Chaos Legions rumours

[Son of Perturabo]

I'll be honest they're about the only thing in the starter which is getting me interested. The plastic dread is nice but I've got a forgeworld one and I'm getting a couple of Decimators at Games Day this year. I don't use possessed and I've already got plans for making my own chosen using a combination of the Chaos Marines box and the Iron Hands and Iron Warriors conversion kits. So not fussed about them either. Unless there is going to be a small 40k rulebook in there like the Fantasy one then I doubt I'll even bother buying a starter box.

Unless what I've been told about special/limited edition versions turns out to be true and the character is worth having.

[Souleater]

But the new Chaos Codex (which TheDarkGeneral hinted is just over five weeks away) could change a lot of that. Possessed might become the awesome unit they should be. The figures themselves might be so groovy you'll want them rules be damned. Not saying any of that is true or you'll feel that way but I think it is a little premature to dismiss the contents at this time.

[Barghest]

So the cry is "It doesn't have 'Legions' in the title! This book is going to suck!" now? We're actually judging a book by its (title on the) cover rather than its content?

Hey, that's the impression that I'm getting from some of these posts. I agree with Grimdesign's list (and Wes' additions to)

Me, I'm just happy to get a new codex.

[theDarkGeneral]

My apologizes Darnok but i'm not nearly in the know as yourself or several others here. I tend to focus on my personal preferences which of course is Chaos and Apocalypse. I did hear about the first plastic Dread in the starter boxed set and bikes but i assumed they were Chaos bikers. Also heard things about plastic Raptors but sounds like they'll prob be part of wave #1. As for 6th edition itself and all the rules changes, army building changes, scenarios and deployment...that's for another thread...lol!

[DigitalDogParty]

If Cultists are really in, then my dusty Traitor Guardsmen models will surely do my wallet justice...

[Maxis Lithium]

Well, the rumor of cultests has been repeated enough times that I am fairly certain that we'll see them in some form. What I'm really hoping for is Cultists that resemble some of the basic troop options from the Lost and the Damned list, which had the ability to take marks, but those marks weren't as powerful as what CSMs got. They also got some basic special/heavy weapons like guard.

What I'm afraid is that the Cultists will mirror the cultists from the 3.5 who were basic guardsmen, but could not take special/heavy weapons and had to take one of 3 specialization. Infiltrate/stealth, Melta-bombs and +1 armour pen Vs. bunkers or close combat weapons and furious charge. While I understand that they weren't supposed to carry an Alpha Legion army, but I walys felt they didn't pull off any really useful roles, save Melta-bombing things before getting shot to bits, or bulk hand-to-hand attacks. Good under 4th for out numbering, but not much else.

[Nurgling Chieftain]

I want the old 3rd edition white dwarf cultists back. Dirt cheap, zealous but unskilled, highly disposable.

[Grimdesign]

I always thought of cultist as sacrificial lambs, to be used, exploited and then thrown away. It would be cool if they played that way.

(sacrifice d6 cultists to add to psychic attack of some-such)
(attach cultist to X unit, whenever X unit takes a hit, that hit is measured against the cultist, and if successful: Cultist receives attack)(with the exception of aoe attacks of course)
(you may upgrade X cultists to carry a portion of chaotic energy, allowing cultist to sacrifice themselves in a kamikaze attack)


However I strongly feel they are just going to be a screen unit, not entirely capable of doing too much on their own (which will disappoint a few all-cultist army generals to be sure)
Unless anyone has the inside scoop on what they can do?

at any rate I am excited for chaos players.

[Iron Puritan]

I'd like to see a range of upgrade options. There could be a baseline meat shield cultist, then for additional points they can be turned into different things. There could be zombies, beastmen, guerillas, Alpha Legion operatives and so on.

[Eldrad]

I think we'll end up with just that IP, But probably with more god bent. For instance, your base rabble , Nurgle gets zombies, Tzeentch sorceror coven, Slaanesh rabble?, Khorne gladiators, and then maybe wargear options to turn them into quasi guard/storm troopers.

[BruderLoras]

Slaanesh rabble?

A bunch of doped up masochists in gimp suits?

[SideshowLucifer]

I'd believe assassin cults myself

[Chem-Dog]

I caught this....

One is called ecstasy...which sounds weird but basically it allows the user to fire his weapon at his strength value. I can't remember what unit has it though!

....in The Dude's summary in post 2 and thought I'd mention that it sounds a wee bit like the original Noise Marines rules, both standard Noise Marines and the Champion/Lord character fired their weapon at their strength value which was 4 for the "normal" guys but 6 for the boss.

And if anyone in a Chaos Space Marine army is going to have an ability called Ecstasy, it's gonna be Slaaneshi, surely.

Apologies if this has been mentioned before but I wasn't going to read through 2k+ posts to check if it was mentioned

[movin_pics]

It hasn't been mentioned chem-dog so good spot, seems plausible...

[IcedAnimals]

I am not sure I see the point in noise marines having a special rule that allows them to shoot at str 4. There isn't any way to buff noise marines with more str. Perhaps that is just the rule of the weapons themselves. Which would then actually annoy me a little because it would make non-noise marines have better sonic weaponry. I am hoping sonic weaponry gets something but this definitely is not it. Now perhaps this is a rule for a "sonic dreadnaught" Or maybe it is a special rule for some kind of slaanesh special character. If we really do only have 5 weeks to go then we will know soon enough.

[TrojanWolf]

There isn't any way to buff noise marines with more str.

Well, not at this point. Unless you know something about the next book we don't...

[Garanaul the Black]

Well, not at this point. Unless you know something about the next book we don't...

Admittedly it would be situational, but maybe the return of combat drugs?


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[Chem-Dog]

I am not sure I see the point in noise marines having a special rule that allows them to shoot at str 4. There isn't any way to buff noise marines with more str.

It was weird old RT era rules that did it and there were probably a million and one ways to tweak a Model/Unit's Strength value (they could have D6-3 Chaos Attributes for a starters). I'm not suggesting that it carries over directly BUT if Sonic weapons strength was "as user" and there were a way to perk a unit's strength (I dunno, for Lords or with Combat Drugs or Psychic Powers or "Daemonic Possession" - add your own chaos themed +1stat effect) it'd make the Sonic weapons a little more interesting, nes pas? It's something that's been done before and the current crop of GD's seem quite happy to turn to older incarnations of rules for inspiration (a good thing in my view).

Perhaps that is just the rule of the weapons themselves. Which would then actually annoy me a little because it would make non-noise marines have better sonic weaponry. I am hoping sonic weaponry gets something but this definitely is not it. Now perhaps this is a rule for a "sonic dreadnaught" Or maybe it is a special rule for some kind of slaanesh special character. If we really do only have 5 weeks to go then we will know soon enough.

It could be that the quote, thrice removed from context as it is (and hardly a definitive statement at that), is inaccurate. Could be that sonic weapons fire at a rate equal to the user's strength (making them Assault 4 or Heavy 8 for a NM, for example). If it's even a thing that affects Sonic Weapons at all.

If this does turn out to be something of note, I hope that it's not a Red Herring rule, weapons that use a wielder's strength which never varies from one value is a needlessly arch way of stating a weapon's Strength.

[Knifeparty]

I could likely be that sonic weaponry has no strength value anymore, and instead works like poisoned weapons where it wounds on a 4+ or something. This makes more sense because sound doesn't have a strength value and effects everyone differently. This rule would allow their sonic weaponry to be effective against light tanks.

[Thoth62]

I'm sorry, forgive me if I'm ignorant... But how exactly does not having a strength value make it effective against tanks of any kind?