That was 'Bram who mentioned the 'Marked characters unlock a single cult unit' I believe. Though info is still very scarce, I'm actually know inclined to believe this latest batch and to be honest I'm rather hyped. The lack of a significant degree of focus on the legions theoretically means their efforts will have been invested into making it a cool book elsewhere and hopefully we'll end up with a book on par with DE and Necs in terms of quality.
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Sounds pretty cool that psychic powers will be randomly generated and the FOC will be diffrent in the coming edition, exciting times for 40k.
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No thanks please.
But then again, it will count for everyone, not only CSM.
Interesting times indeed.
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DEAR GOD NO,
random psychic powers would practically KILL entire armies, can you imagine random powers for things like tervigons, blood angel librarians, Hive tyrants, farseers......the fact that you can tailor your powers to best support your strategy is one of the most tactical things about 40k
Perhaps for you mon-keigh, but if those rumours are true Warhammer 40k will become Fantasy in Space.
Hardly exciting to have a Farseer waking up with different abilities every morning. I don't believe it would happen with so much depending on presence of certain powers..
And if the Legions get nothing AGAIN it will be a suicide move if there are no Legion rules right behind the corner.
I know that Chaos players are starved of anything and many would accept everything which helps improving their situation, but sustaining something which doesn't work depriving of something which is expected (and recently almost advertised by HH books, ADB Night Lord trilogy etc) is stupid.
It almost makes you want not to waste shurikens and refuse to swing a Witchblade decimating such a pathetic, shapeless, spineless horde Chaos has become in recent years. Almost.
There was some pride in Chaos armies back then, there was some spirit, but now.... a simplified codex more suitable for a WD article which through amputation gave birth to a deformed twin of the (overpowered) Fantasy Daemon book; a codex with a bunch of featureless units and one reasonably strong list.
A codex which screams for a solid reconstruction DE or even Necrons recently received.
Of course, both of those would signal a move away from specific legion focus- just as Wych Cults, Haemonculi cults and warriors all sit neatly, non-restrictively together in DE. If we get that with some expanded options, ill be a happy chaos guy!
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Dunno if it has already been asked/discussed, but since minor gods are being mentioned, is there any mention of a possible Malal in the codex?
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Here's why I hate the idea (if true) that it's only SC's that will make cult units scoring: It takes away one whole aspect of the hobby - making up the background story for your Chaos Lord (or Space Marine captain, farseer, etc.) I know WAAC players couldn't give a WAAC about the background story, and I know that you can always go the "counts as" route, but it just isn't the same. The modelling aspect of the hobby suffers as well, as there is no reason to convert your iconic leader of your force when the SC model that you have to use anyway is available.
Even more troublesome, look at what they did with the Blood Angels Captain. What if the Chaos Lord gets left out in the cold the same way? I don't think he will, but the recent unreasonable focus on SC's (do Necrons prove my point?) make this a possibility.
Is it that hard to double check the source before posting? It is included in the 2nd post summary.
Also, any 6th edition rumours should be discussed in the appropriate thread, please.
AFAIK that can't happen because the Malal character isn't owned by GW.
Nothings been mentioned and supposedly GW don't own the rights to Malal. And even if they did he haven't been mentioned in what, 20-25 years so I would say that the chance of GW ever doing anything with Malal is practically zero.
I don't know, I don't think there should be specific Legion rules in the codex. It should be flexible enough to let you play a Legion based list if you want to, but I think something like the Legion lists in 3.5 (It was that book?) would be a step back and a failure. Having GW deliberately produce cookie-cutter micromanged lists is not what we need. A flexible list that allows people to play Chaos the way they want with a wide range of viable units would be much better.
Doh! I tried back tracking through posts but couldn't find it. Never even thought to check the round up.
His replacement Malice is still in the fluff though, see the Sons of Malice warband, so it is possible if the minor god rumor is true
You don't need to take a special character to field an EC army. The EC are not ALL noise marines. Hell not even most of them are. The only cult troop where this is an issue is the TS. Since they are just sorcerers and rubrics. But with rules for cultists you can now make the list even more fluffy than before. Cultists are very commonly used by the thousand sons to assist in their rituals.
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Marked HQ making a single choice of cult marines troops doesn't necessarily mean that you need to field SC to make a proper culty army. If they don't change the FOC in 6th, that means you can get four or five cult units by using up your elite slots. I'd call that pretty fluffy and reasonable for most non apocalypse games.
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Exactly my thoughts. If you think about it, it'd even be fluffy if they kept them elites; Cult units would be interested in spreading their god's work, not standing around holding some random communication beacon like a common troop.
That's a bit flippant, but I don't think it will be bad for Cult legions. 6th will likely change army makeups in some way, so basing it off 5th perceptions isn't useful. Also, as IcedAnimals noted, you don't need fully Cult troops to make a fluffy Cult army; the Thousand Sons using Cultists makes a ton of sense, and I'm surprised I hadn't thought of that before. That, combined with a more robust Marks system, would mean you don't really need Cults as troops.
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This gets back to my fundamental problem with how they broke apart Daemons and Chaos Marines to begin with in 4th. In my opinion they should have removed all the daemons except the Daemon Prince and he should be 0-1 for Chaos Marines. If they would have left the codex alone with the exception of removing the Daemons and adding in the Vindicator like they did there would be a lot more Chaos players right now. Give us back the Marks and Icons that don't suck and if they want to change Dreadnoughts to be one of 4 different versions of a Dread thats awesome for me because it makes them a much more flexible unit. A Chaos Lord with the Mark of Khorne should have Furious Charge. The Nurgle one should have Feel No Pain. The Tzeentch one should be able to take 2 psychic powers if he wants to, just like the Epistolary for the generics. The Slaanesh one should have something that makes the opponent lose an attack when you are in close combat with it.
My 2 cents
I hate that the daemons are completely gone, I just love how they even look together, they really seem like being 2 halfs of whole thing, which togrther is the best
Well, that is a good point, and an excellent analogy as well. Still, I can't help but wonder if that type of inspiration wouldn't be more helpful for the CSM rules than hurtful.
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Neither. The maelstrom wins.
Without getting too worked up about it, I have to agree. The main problem people have with Possessed but applied to Psychers in every army that can field them? Not sure that would work so well, but who knows what 6th will bring.
Weren't the minor Chaos Gods tidbits one of Ghost's rumors? I'd love to see it happen but I thought we had written off most, if not all, of what he said?
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