Warriors of Chaos rumours

[Kaos]

A plastic dragon that have two heads and big wings and probably a sorclord or chaoslord that are twice the size of a flimsy elf.. And i might think other various bits and pieces. Yep, will probably just be a single kit.

I would sure welcome a new plastic dragon kit, if it looks good enough. So far the plastic dragons looks not so good in my book. I want my dragons more serpentine.

Cheers-Kaos

[Crovax20]

Given that no core infantry have got an increase in price aside from previously insanely undercosted ghoul as long as I can remember, I doubt the price of marauders will go up nor will the price of their weapon upgrades if the recent VC book is an indication.

*cough* Orc boyz *cough*

[ihavetoomuchminis]

Given that no core infantry have got an increase in price aside from previously insanely undercosted ghoul as long as I can remember, I doubt the price of marauders will go up nor will the price of their weapon upgrades if the recent VC book is an indication.

IF ghouls are a reference, i'm sure that Marauders fit in the "insanely undercosted" category. Specially when you put in them some GW with mark of khorne, or Shields with MoT.

[vcassano]

IF ghouls are a reference, i'm sure that Marauders fit in the "insanely undercosted" category. Specially when you put in them some GW with mark of khorne, or Shields with MoT.

Great Weapons on them are underpriced, but the rest of it is pretty fair.(In general, the marks are poorly balanced internally) between Marauders with the mark of Tzeentch and parry saves will do nothing, except die. In 8th you need to kill people. They don't.

Frenzy is also something which good players and armies should be able to counter - it can be brutal when it hits, but you can control them to a significant extent and should be able to come to terms with them at your discretion.

[redfury]

What makes me think this isn't an army book is the fact that no one has said anything about new units. It really looks like a wishlist of new models for existing units and minor rule updates to me. I assume there's some truth since Hastings posted a similar thread awhile ago. But I will say again, they are probably gonna make a finecash version of the dragon. Look at all the vc stuff that was way more outdated looking than him: the fell pigs and ferret swarms were by far the worse but the cartoon ghosts and flying walrus were also terrible and the black coach with its skeletal steeds and old school wraith. GWs goal as of late seems to be have an official miniature for everything no matter how dated it is.

[logan054]

None of that sounds all that surprising really, the book doesn't really need a whole lot to make it good for 8th ed, be interesting to see what the price per model is for the marks, if warriors go down a point and say MoK is 3pts (I can't see it being more than that) then I doubt its going to have massive effect on the units cost, just makes non-marked armies more viable, I see nothing about daemon princes, I guess that means they will remain useless for another edition can't say I even that impressed by the return if Crom, I would rather see someone like Arbaal or Morderk the damned return, still cool Engrim might make a come back, always loved him

I wonder what else they will do with DO, I have a unit of 6 hopefully they give the shaggoth some serious love, I don't see why they would make a plastic kit for it, the current model is awesome

[Fuzzymoldyork]

I am not really surprised by the increase in price of Marauders. My expectations are that Marauders will go up a point, be given light armour as standard, and have GWs be 2pts per model. I think this would very much balance out GW Marauders and would probably be consistent with the trend to give core more basic equipment "free."

In all honesty, I really don't think that WoC need too many new units.They have really expansive Core, Special, and Rare sections that only rivaled by OnG. The problem is that almost all of their models are dated and/or metel with those models that are newer are pretty much useless (this exclueds knights). All GW really needs to do with this army is fix some (note: many) internal balance issues and come out with updated models.

However, with that said WE and Brets should be coming before WoC. The only reason I think WE isn't coming before WoC is because their models are universally beautiful, with only a few needing updates. I'm pretty sure Brets aren't coming before WoC because GW has no clue what to do with them.

[lbecks]

I'd say the rolling release of Chaos Warriors over the years has resulted in design inconsistencies within the range. When the new Forsaken/Chosen are released that's going to be Warriors from one generation, knights from another, and Chosen/Forsaken from a third.

WE and Brets are in the one-shot group of factions. I think when they're finally upgraded it's going to be a full update and then that range will be used for the next decade.

[SkawtheFalconer]

Their biggest challenge is definitely balancing the marks. For as long as I've been playing Chaos (since Ravening Hordes), certain marks have been a total waste of time.

Skirmising Forsaken is nice and all, but they're going to need a better save (and/or a huge points reduction) to be useable. I'm interested by the prospect of their being combined with Chosen in a box, mind you. That suggests they will actually look like Chaos Warriors (albeit mutated).

I'm personally a bit disappointed by news of Mark of Tzeentch losing its Ward Save, although if Warriors are coming down a bit in cost that will partially make up for it.

[Morkash]

The Marks and the God theme overall surely is the crux of a new WoC armybook. There are various threads on this matter on Warseer with awesome ideas, the problem of many of them is their complexity though. GW tends to keep the rules rather simple, even if Tamurkhan's Great Host clearly showed how flavourful small god specific boni can be. The more freedom people have with the rules, the more room for loopholes, inbalanced combos and so on would be indirectly created as well.
I understand how difficult it has to be from GW's PoV to balance WoC and their Marks, but it would make an awesome book for sure if it worked out...

[bonesaww666]

If I hear one more Wood Elves need it whine... When they came out last time it was a great book an army of skirmishing elusive units that really played as they were described. When they redo it they will have to find some way to be as inspired and innovative as the last release or they could just hammer one out that reduces them to HE status with large block of infantry and all sorts of unflavourful stuff!
In theory the current codex isn't fine, that is why they are redoing it as it has more opportunities for abuse then most other books currently out there (chosen star). If they released chosen/forsaken, dragon ogres, shrine and monsters I don't see where the lack of releases are? I like it, no as a matter of fact I love it and to celebrate I may just convert a model of the Khorne Lord on Jugger inperiously posed on a heaping pile of Brettoni and Wood Elf carcasses!

[mrtn]

What makes me think this isn't an army book is the fact that no one has said anything about new units. It really looks like a wishlist of new models for existing units and minor rule updates to me. I assume there's some truth since Hastings posted a similar thread awhile ago.

Hastings said it would be an armybook. If you don't believe him in that, why do you believe him about the list of models? His list was very close to this one.
As usual I'm more inclined to believe a proven rumour monger than someone trying to use logic about what GW ought to release...

@MsDarkness: Thank you for the rumour!

[ivan55599]

I was talking to a nice guy on the internet, he claimed to have a friend that works for Games-Workshop in Nottingham.

I almost forgot, you should say to his friend's friend that he should pribe GW guy to tell more information :b

[MsDarkness]

Your welcome, to be honest I almost did not post it. As I enjoy painting part of the hobby much more then the game play myself.

[quietus1986]

Given that no core infantry have got an increase in price aside from previously insanely undercosted ghoul as long as I can remember, I doubt the price of marauders will go up nor will the price of their weapon upgrades if the recent VC book is an indication.

Sorry don't agree if ghouls needed a price hike so do marauders. And i know my main adversary is a WoC player and marauders wear way better then ghouls at 8pnts with a free march

[Scammel]

And Ghouls have an extra T, A, poison, unbreakable, and can be raised.

[fusionmonkey]

And Ghouls have an extra T, A, poison, unbreakable, and can be raised.

oh and dont forget that they loose twice as many men because of crumble.

or how marauders hit on 3s wound on 3s with the same number of attacks have steadfast with a BSB and are almost half the cost of the old ghoul.

but every body agrees that the current marauders are broken so thats enough of that. back to the rumours.

[vcassano]

oh and dont forget that they loose twice as many men because of crumble.

or how marauders hit on 3s wound on 3s with the same number of attacks have steadfast with a BSB and are almost half the cost of the old ghoul.

but every body agrees that the current marauders are broken so thats enough of that. back to the rumours.

They aren't. They really aren't. Nobody really wins tournaments or even places well with Marauders (in the UK at least). However, I will say that Great Weapons are underpriced. I'd expect them to get a points rise but with light armour (Which is almost worthless)

[Chainaxe07]

Hi all,

well, imho chaos knights are, indeed, a bit (but just a bit) overpriced, but thee sane couldbe said of almost all heavy cavalries under the current rules. Not sure about chaos marauders:they are rather cheap, and come withaverage stats, but they are mounted on large infantry bases and die in droves. They are great for bulking up armies and raising the body count, but go down pretty esily too. We'll see how and if they change them.
Basic warriors are good as they are, if they drop the pricethey'd probably also reduce stats. To me, as they are now, they're essentially perfect: state of the art heavy infantry, costly but solid and dependable. By no mens overpowered (unless you go forone of two really tricky combos), you know you can bet them up, but wont take them lightly (you shouldnot, indeed). Also i hope they would allow us to keep unmarked units and characters, as i am rather fond of my "atheist" warriors.

[Dux]

Marauders are fine as they are. What makes them overpowered are the cheap greatweapons and MoK.
Paying the mark per model should balance them quite well. At the moment you pay between 5 and 6 points per GW-MoK-Marauder depending on the unit size. If they stay at the same cost but MoK is 2 per model that would make 7 per marauder. They could als make light armor base and increase costs by 1. But i don't think they will get much more expensive.

Concerning the costs of warriors:
They are fine as they are. But we all know how GW thinks: make them cheaper and better so we sell more models.