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[Fox Of 9]

to be absolutly honest i like those ideas as the rule benefits.. as part of the old grand stratigen rule.. simple, could be implimented like the ymarlg stealers special biomorphs...




David.

[Blackhoof]

Sorry, what do you mean? Are u talking about my idea or the orders system?

[Fox Of 9]

it does not really matter.. carry on.



David.

[Blackhoof]

Here are the rules for a Leman Russ from the guard codex ( minus DM upgrades and plus dome logical changes)

Leman Russ Main Battle Tank squadron= 165 points per tank
BS F S R
4 14 13 10
Special rules: Lumbering Behemoth, Tactical Communications (makes the squad operate better as a team)
Unit type: vehicle (tank)
Composition: 1-3 LRMBTs
Wargear: battle cannon, hull-mounted heavy bolter, searchlight, smoke launchers
Options:
-The entire squad may replace its Battle Cannon turret with a Conquer Cannon for +5 points, Demolisher Cannon for +10 points, or a Plasma Destroyer for +25 points
-Any tank may exchange its heavy bolter for a heavy flamer for free, a multi-laser for +5, an autocannon for +10 points or a lascannon for +15 points.
-Any tank may take a pair of sponsons armed with Heavy Bolters or Heavy flamers for +20 points, Multi-Meltas for +30 points, or Plasma Cannons for +40 points.
-Ay model may take one of the following: pintle-mounted Storm Bolter or Heavy Stubber for +10 points, a Hunter-killer Missile for +10 points, a Dozer Blade for +10 points or Extra Armour for +15 points
-The entire squad may be Daemonically Possessed for +20 points per tank


EDIT: added all the options and stuff

[Blackhoof]

Here are the rules for the weapon options:

Conquer Cannon: Rng S AP Type
48" 9 3 Ordnance 1, Large Blast

Demolisher Cannon: Rng S AP Type
24" 10 2 Ordnance 1, Large Blast

Plasma Destroyer: Rng S AP Type
48" 7 2 Heavy 3, Large Blast


Tactical Communications:
The Skitarii tank crews of the Dark Mechanicus use advanced communication arrays built into their bodies to stay in touch with their squadmmates and ensure perfect coordination between vehicle squadrons.
As long as there is more than one tank in the squadron, all tanks in the squad may ignore any "crew shaken" results on the damage table on a 5+. In addition, The tanks in the squadron may break unit coherency, ceasing to count as a vehicle squadron as per the rulebook. However, they must deploy as a squadron initially. Note that "crew shaken" results can still be ignored even if the squadron has broken coherency.


Moving on, lets look at the Ubermensch.

personally i think they should be renamed to Cyberdaemons. No-one knows what Ubermensch means (well, i assume Uber= ultimate/powerful and mensche=man/human) but Cyberdaemon is a very straightforward and obvious name with clear connotations.

Cyberdaemons- 18pts per model, WarpCraft Only
WS5, BS4, S5, T4, W1, I4, A1+D3, Ld9, Sv4+/5+Inv
Unit: 5-10
Weapons: Cyberclaws (close combat weapon), Boltpistol
Special Rules: Fearless
Options: -Any Cyberdaemon may replace its Cyberclaws and Boltpistol for a Boltgun for free.
-Up to half the squad (rounding down) may replace their current wargear with Cybertalons for +10 points each. Cybertalons count as a two-handed power weapon.

[Blackhoof]

fox, are you still here?

[Fox Of 9]

just about.... collage has been mad lately, so i've had no time for anything.. should be back asahp.




David.

[Blackhoof]

do you like my ideas?

[Fox Of 9]

yes but bump them up by 1pt.



David.

[Blackhoof]

Cyberdaemons- 19pts per model, WarpCraft Only
WS5, BS4, S5, T4, W1, I4, A1+D3, Ld9, Sv4+/5+Inv
Unit: 5-10
Weapons: Cyberclaws (close combat weapon), Boltpistol
Special Rules: Fearless
Options: -Any Cyberdaemon may replace its Cyberclaws and Boltpistol for a Boltgun for free.
-Up to half the squad (rounding down) may replace their current wargear with Cybertalons for +10 points each. Cybertalons count as a two-handed power weapon.

better?

[Fox Of 9]

perfect.

tbh i think i'll be doing a once a week sweep to check on in on whats happening just way toooo much owrk atm.. i'll try and get some rules done during half term. :L


David.

[Blackhoof]

I think instead of having a Fusilier Barrage Tank we just give Leman Russ's the option to equip Fusilier Launchers?

Fusilier Launchers: 72" s7 ap4 Heavy 4 Twin-linked

it can replace the Battle Cannon for.... free maybe? it has a good chance of hitting only four people with shots less powerful than a BC but it has far superior range instead... should I up the number of shots?

Now, the Lamba Kai Displacer.

BS:3 AV:12/11/11
Special Rules: Displacement
Unit Type: Vehicle (Tank)
Wargear: Kai-Launcher, Pintle-mounted Heavy Bolter

Displacement: The Kai Launcher is capable of tearing holes in the fabric of reality, wrapping their soldiers in this pocket of un-reality and sending this 'pod' screaming towards the enemy, allowing for quick delivery.The Kai-Launcher can also allow daemons to pour from the Warp straight into an unlucky enemy squad. A Kai Launcher can perform one of the following two actions:

Displacement: D6+3 members of any squad that is within 6" of the Displacer can be fired towards the enemy in a "pocket" of warp energy. Pick one enemy unit within 36", and on a 3+ the (un?)lucky Dark Mechanicus soldiers immediately appear in base contact with the enemy unit, as if they had charged in that turn. If the roll is failed, the 'displaced' models are placed anywhere along an imaginary line (chosen by the opposing player) between the Lamba Kai Displacer and the target enemy unit as the 'pocket' collapses prematurely. They may be placed in difficult/impassable terrain or on top of other models, and suffer as if they had just deep strike'd onto them. The 'displaced' models immediately form a new unit completely independent of their parent unit and must be placed within unit coherency.

Portal: Pick one enemy unit within 36" and a small warp portal is opened amongst them, allowing a horde of gibbering warp-spawn to flood through, inflicting grievous damage. On a 3+ D3 Etheric Horror bases are immediately placed in base contact with the target unit, as if they had charged this turn. The Horrors strike first no matter what in this first round of combat, as they have the element of surprise. If a 2 is rolled, nothing happens and if a 1 is rolled, the portal backfires and the Lamba Kai suffers a single Penetrating hit as Etheric Horrors swarm through the crew compartments.
Etheric Horrors: WS BS S T W I A Ld Sv
3 0 3 3 2 3 2 6 -/5+ inv.
Special Rules: Swarm

[Blackhoof]

i found this picture while trawling the net

apparently the wheeled guys are what Praetorians look like, and those robots are Knights (basically mini titans)

[Fox Of 9]

Nice rules & cool picture.. (sorry for lack of updates.. taking 4 really hard a-levels does this to you.)



David.

[Blackhoof]

What shall we do next?

[Fox Of 9]

I have finally dug myself out from my hovel of madness and machinery... So we now have 6th edition. Anyone with me to get this finished so we can have a proper good Codex?

David.

[Fox Of 9]

Now I've posted my writing work onto this. So far we have the following:

'DOOMSDAY' weapon [HEAVY SUPPORT]
Soul reaper tank (Warp craft only) (Part of the Leman russ squadron)
Heretic Skitaraii command squad [HQ]
Dark magos (warp/forge/flesh craft) [HQ]
The dread-stalker (4 structure points and modifying the glancing rule.) [HEAVY SUPPORT]
Sceleratii Squadron [TROOPS]
Stitchlings (flesh craft only) [TROOPS]
Stitched Horrors (flesh craft only) [ELITES]
Crawler Droid Squadron [FAST ATTACK]
Cataphract Heavy Wardroid [ELITES]
Destructor squadron (forge craft only) [FAST ATTACK] {removed atm}
Craft retinue [HQ]
Techno-heretic (flesh/forge/warp craft) [HQ]
Instigators squadrons [FAST ATTACK]
banshees squadrons [FAST ATTACK]
Warpstorm attack squad [FAST ATTACK]
Van Horr-mellsar Tech-count of Terax (only character special at the moment) [HQ]
Veteran Heretic Skitarii Squad [TROOPS]
Heretic Skitarii Squad [TROOPS]
Velite Droid Militia (forge craft) [ELITES]
Living sentinel (flesh craft) [FAST ATTACK]
Centorians [ELITES]
Bane steed (Unique monstrous creature)(flesh craft) [FAST ATTACK]
Leman russ squadron [HEAVY SUPPORT]
Cyber deamons (warp craft) [ELITES]
Lambai kai displacer (warp craft) [HEAVY SUPPORT]
Tactical artillary battery [HEAVY SUPPORT]
Slaves [TROOPS]
Wraiths (A new sniper unit) [ELITES]
Micagryph assault platform (Anti-air unit) [HEAVY SUPPORT]
Doom wolves (Fast anti-infantry MC) [HEAVY SUPPORT]

HQ:5
ELITES:6
TROOPS:4
FAST ATTACK:6
HEAVYSUPPORT:7

Now we need to finish off the skitarii phalanx and do a few more unique HQ's then its touching up and refining before we can format it into a nice and lovely codex.

EDIT: revised the list switching a few things about.

David.

[madd0ct0r]

I'm trying to put together a Dark Mechanicus list for epic:armageddon - want to collabarate?

(i like it when different fandex's are consistent...)

[Fox Of 9]

Sounds great. I'll Pm you my email as I'm not on too often due to real world life interfering. (I'm a bit rusty on my Epic:armageddon rules and background will need a quick synopsis )


David.


EDIT: What do you wan't to get out of this?? As in what areas do you think both of us need to change in order to get a collaborative feel to the DM codex for 40K and EPIC:armageddon

[Fox Of 9]

Blistering heat and extreme boredom spawns new ideas apparently....

Slaves ...... 40pts

Ws2 Bs2 S2 T3 W1 I3 A1 Ld5 Sv6+

Composition: 20 slaves

Unit type: Infantry

Wargear: Hands and teeth (close-combat weapon)


OPTIONS:

May include up to an additional 30 slaves
.................................................. .....2pts per model

May take Lasguns at 1pt per model

May take a extra close-combat weapon at 1pt per model

May be placed under rage virus narcotics at 2pts per model (Only when XXXXXXXX special character is included in the army)
(Rage virus narcotics grant the unit a bonus attack and the Rage universal special rule.)



Overall I love this idea of a very (very) cheap unit that would take forever to kill. (90pts for 30 with 2 attacks each but are only getting a 6+ and are strength 2 which will take a metric tonne of attacks to kill anything.) and can add a lot of cheap (poorly aimed) shooting to guard the flanks or and objective.



David.


EDIT: Forgot leadership value.