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    Sire Swallow's response to the Space Wolf question.

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    Hey, a question about Fear To Tread...

    It's always interesting when I see a debate raging on about something I wrote, and I wonder "Why not just pop next door to the Ask The Author thread and, y'know, just ask me?"

    So, my apologies for this wall-o-spoilers blocks...

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    For the record, folks; this thread is here for a reason. This is the place where I have a forum to talk to BL readers outside of events or via my blog or twitter feed, and I'm always open to your questions (time permitting, natch).

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    Well I'll reserve final judgement until I read Fear to Tread, hopefully it won't be like Know No Fear was.

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    the wolves can recruit from other places but they choose not to because they feel that the fenrisians are the best they can be the toughest and they prefer tehre own in the armys

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    As far as I'm aware only dorn had the option of recuiting from another planet and that was terra again.

    None of the other legions were suppose to recruit from any were out side there own system/planet
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    But why do we only hear of the Wolves at the Blood Angels? There is nothing about the Space Wolves being with the Word Bearers, Ultramarines, Alpha Legion, Emperor's Children, Sons of Horus, etc. etc. etc. Will they all get their own stories too now?
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    Re: HH Novel - Fear To Tread.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ragnarfan_12 View Post
    the wolves can recruit from other places but they choose not to because they feel that the fenrisians are the best they can be the toughest and they prefer tehre own in the armys
    Quote Originally Posted by trigger View Post
    As far as I'm aware only dorn had the option of recuiting from another planet and that was terra again.

    None of the other legions were suppose to recruit from any were out side there own system/planet
    The point is that every other legion could recruit from anywhere in the Galaxy, but very few of them took that option.

    The Space Wolves, on the other hand, have a unique, mutated gene called the Canis Helix, which apparently only makes Fenrisians eligible for geneseed implantation. The only known instance where Leman Russ' geneseed was implanted on another world is their only successor chapter, the Wolf Brothers. That chapter has been short lived, and apparently the gene-seed simply mutated out of control for them.

    Whether they were aware of this or not is irrelevant. If they can only ever recruit from Fenris, they are then they can easily be dealt with if they become disloyal. One of the reasons why they're entrusted with the role of executioner is that they can be far more easily disposed of. I'm assuming, of course, that the Emperor knows that the Wolves can only ever recruit from one planet, and has a work-around for that - since the original Space Wolves were Terran, after all. Of course, it could be that the Canis Helix mutated after Russ was exposed to the particular conditions on Fenris, but that's already heading too far into the realm of off-topic speculation...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Londinium View Post
    To be fair, everybody knew that things will get messy on Prospero and they sent an army equipped to fight a whole legion and their PDF forces as well as, they sent an army to take the planet not just to get one dude.

    I think people are not looking at things properly, Primarchs may seem nigh unbeatable in battle, but one doesn't have to fight something to kill it. Lure it in a ship and blow it up, poison it, step on it with a titan.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lupe View Post
    The Space Wolves, on the other hand, have a unique, mutated gene called the Canis Helix, which apparently only makes Fenrisians eligible for geneseed implantation. The only known instance where Leman Russ' geneseed was implanted on another world is their only successor chapter, the Wolf Brothers. That chapter has been short lived, and apparently the gene-seed simply mutated out of control for them.
    Wasn't Longfangs terran?
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    @Stormblade

    They dropped a mountain on Angron so I think a Titan foot would be a good day haha
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    Quote Originally Posted by stormblade View Post
    Wasn't Longfangs terran?
    Yes, and a few more of the original Legion. I mentioned that in the next paragraph.

    The Emperor has the knowledge to make primarchs, so I'm fairly confident he could create a small number of Terran Astartes with Russ' geneseed. However, like so much of what the Emperor did, this is not something that anyone else can replicate. Also, it's probably intended that it can't be replicated...

    Basically, this is Damocles' sword, hovering above the Space Wolves, whether they're aware of it or not.
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    if youve read battle of the fang you know that the wolf brothers didnt just suddenly mutate for no reason it was because of magnus....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lupe View Post
    The point is that every other legion could recruit from anywhere in the Galaxy, but very few of them took that option.

    The Space Wolves, on the other hand, have a unique, mutated gene called the Canis Helix, which apparently only makes Fenrisians eligible for geneseed implantation. The only known instance where Leman Russ' geneseed was implanted on another world is their only successor chapter, the Wolf Brothers. That chapter has been short lived, and apparently the gene-seed simply mutated out of control for them.

    Whether they were aware of this or not is irrelevant. If they can only ever recruit from Fenris, they are then they can easily be dealt with if they become disloyal. One of the reasons why they're entrusted with the role of executioner is that they can be far more easily disposed of. I'm assuming, of course, that the Emperor knows that the Wolves can only ever recruit from one planet, and has a work-around for that - since the original Space Wolves were Terran, after all. Of course, it could be that the Canis Helix mutated after Russ was exposed to the particular conditions on Fenris, but that's already heading too far into the realm of off-topic speculation...
    Where did this thing with the geneseed come from? It seems rather odd to me...
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    Re: HH Novel - Fear To Tread.

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    Just for the record, no it isn't.
    I forgot. People can disagree on the internet!

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    How does it compare to first heretic ?
    That being my personal faiv
    I think it is vastly superior. But the thing is that, for me, they are stylistically very different. In the details. Both books give you really good insight into the Primarchs involved and while there is no Argel Tal-ish character in Fear To Tread, the focus is much more broad, and you see, Azkaellon (leader of the Sanguinary Guard), First Captain Raldoron, Apothecary Meros, and a former librarian of the chapter who is part of Raldoron's company. You really get to see a lot more of the legion in FTT than you do in TFH, where the focus is on a much smaller cast.

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    LOL!
    hey shadowhawk, its all good! i read every book as soon as it comes to my local book store and would'nt quite the series(HH) for the world. its just that some of these "novels" blow. and some times, after i read one of your reviews, i'm kinda
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    Quote Originally Posted by malika View Post
    But why do we only hear of the Wolves at the Blood Angels? There is nothing about the Space Wolves being with the Word Bearers, Ultramarines, Alpha Legion, Emperor's Children, Sons of Horus, etc. etc. etc. Will they all get their own stories too now?
    The Word Bearers already had the Custodians remember? And the four original traitors were already at Istvaan, or headed there (as per the book IIRC). We don't know about the other legions, except that the Night Lords were on a run weren't they as this is all around the time of the Night Haunter slashing up Dorn?

    And again, this is a new addition to the ongoing narrative, so I'd say be patient and wait for more details to appear.

    Quote Originally Posted by malika View Post
    Where did this thing with the geneseed come from? It seems rather odd to me...
    Battle of the Fang? Bits and pieces in old lore? An explanation for why the Space Wolves only had one successor chapter, a failed one at that, to go with the legion's apparently reduced state at the end of the Heresy?
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    Cheers , just out of curiosity before FTT which was your faiv of the series ?


    On another note is there an actual release date yet , I have been into my local GW twice now and still can't order it into store
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    Re: HH Novel - Fear To Tread.

    It's a toss-up between Galaxy in Flames and Deliverance Lost. The former because of the entire play on Istvaan III and the betrayal of the Remembrancers. The latter because I love the Raven Guard and I thought they were done justice by Gav. Then it's either Horus Rising, Flight of the Eisenstein, The First Heretic or Know No Fear.

    The actual release date is supposed to be the first week of September I think. Although the pre-orders should start shipping out within the week according to a friend who always has things on pre-order.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shadowhawk2008 View Post
    Battle of the Fang? Bits and pieces in old lore? An explanation for why the Space Wolves only had one successor chapter, a failed one at that, to go with the legion's apparently reduced state at the end of the Heresy?
    I like to think that Russ took most of the legion with him into the eye as a snub to splitting it up, leaving Bjorn and roughly a Chapters worth on Fenris and founding the Wolf Brothers to make it look like he was making an effort.

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    Are eBooks released months before? Just wondering because I am debating to get it in physical form or eBook form.
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    Re: HH Novel - Fear To Tread.

    Of late they seem to be, as BL looks to be really pushing selling stuff from its own site rather than through Amazon or what not. Plus trying to really capitalise on the eBook craze.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Soul Hunter View Post
    Maybe read the book before bashing it?


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    I was merely answering to a question to the reason why fear something James Swallow has written, nothing more. And yes i will read it.
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    I preordered the ebook from BL. It should be available for download tomorrow (10/8). Woot!

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