Hello,
when I take LD test from Banshee/Terrorgheist ability, can I use General's Inspiring Presence?
Hello,
when I take LD test from Banshee/Terrorgheist ability, can I use General's Inspiring Presence?
You don't take a leadership test from Banshee/Terrorgheist. Its a special attack roll made by your opponent.
You should be able to use Inspiring Presence. (But not Hold your Ground)
Does the rule not state something along the lines of: (dont have my book at work)...
Roll 2D6 and add (2 for banshee, W for Terrorgheist) and for each point it beats the units LD it causes a wound with no armour save?
Meaning that is not a LD test. Just an attack that uses the target units LD as its defence against this attack.
Therefore the answer is no.
This was the previous FAQ on banshee scream obviously not legit anymore but im sure you get the idea:
Q. Is the Tomb Banshee’s Ghostly Howl attack roll a Leadership test
and if so can a battle standard allow it to be re-rolled? (p49)
A. No to both questions.
It's not a leadership test. It's a roll against the other units leadership.
The answer is a definite no
Oh so Inspiring presence only work against leadership tests?
It states "units within 12" uses his Leadership instead of their own." - nothing about being limited to leadership tests only.
Except that the Scream attacks are not stated to use "un-modified" leadership. Therefore they can use Inspiring Presence unless FAQed otherwise...this also let's things like Doom and Darkness effect the Scream, if it was un-modified then it would be the highest leadership in the unit with NO modifiers (General's leadership if he's in the unit counts).
Un-modified = Highest in unit, no modifiers what-so-ever.
Otherwise use highest in unit or Inspiring Presence then apply all modifiers such as Doom and Darkness, etc.
Right. I understand the question now.
When targeted by the banshee/terrogheist, does the attacker roll against the units leadership or, if within range, can they use the generals leadership (from inspiring presence)?
I don't have the book infront of me but the previous FAQ said no, I believe. You'll have to wait for the next FAQs to go up. I don't have the book with me so can't double check the wording. If it says 'unmodified' then there's an FAQ for that (BRB defines unmodified Ld in the FAQ).
Sorry for misunderstanding the question though the point still stands as it's not a Ld/characteristic test.
It's not a Leadership test. You roll 2d6+(2 or wounds) and subtract their leadership value. This is the highest available value (unit character or general if in range) then take wounds equal to the difference. It is not "unmodified" leadership in this book.
In the last army book, it was printed in the banshee's rule that it would allow the unit to use the general's leadership. I would expect this to stay the same in the current book as well.
Does it allow Skaven to use Strength in Numbers though?
In their old book SiN just increased the LD for the purposes lf LD tests. Dont know about the new book though...
On a related note: Does this means a unit can use the General's leadership for the purposes of Okkam's Mindrazor?
SiN states that they can add their rank bonuses to LD tests, so no they can't.Originally Posted by Wesser
Mindrazor was faqd to use the units "raw" ld value, that on their profile. They can not use the generals ld
It is a leadership "based" test. So yes, Skaven can use their SiN.
Except there's no test involved.
Its 2D6+2-Target LD in case of Banshee. Thats not even an LD-based test
The attack is testing against the Skaven's Leadership, so that is a LD- based test.
So when I roll to wound in hand-to-hand its a Toughness test? Also we do we have weapon-skill tests?
It's not a test. My only question is if SiN said it adds to units LD or adds LD to unit for purposes of LD tests. In the latter case there's no real question.
You use a chart to wound, so no it wouldn't be a toughness test, as there is a to wound chart. Same as a to hit chart.
Yes, this a Ld based attack, that tests against your ld. SiN works.
Last edited by Iraf; 14-02-2012 at 20:44.
I'm sorry Iraf but in gaming terms it is NOT a test in any way.
SiN still works I think because there's a bunch of FAQs on the subject and I don't care.
But don't mix game terms with what you "feel" it should be.
Characteristic Tests are described in one section.
The Banshee/Terrorgheist Screams are not Characteristic Tests.
I wasn't saying it was a Ld Test. I was saying it is a LD based test, which SiN on page 33 of the rulebook states it works with.
...except the screams don't test against a unit's leadership. As written, SiN wouldn't apply.
Just read the Skaven Errata's. Wording on SiN changed to Leadership Tests, not Leadership Based Tests. I concur with your interpretation now.
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