Banshee/Terrorgheist ability

[TheRaven]

To be Inspiring presence was one of the most poorly written rules in 8th. Saying that models within 12' may "Use the general's leadership" is so ambiguous. What does "Use" mean, can they use his leadership at any time for any purpose? I'm suprised this hasn't been FAQ'd since it affects alot of things. To me, since "Use" is such a general term and that's all the rulebook says it would seem that yes it would work. It's good to note though that this also counts against the Coven Throne, and other things like the casket of souls...... I wish Inspiring Presence only worked on LD tests but oh well. I also wish it would get a definative answer in an FAQ since the FAQs really have some blatantly obvious Q and As taking up space in it......

[Blkc57]

SiN states that they can add their rank bonuses to LD tests, so no they can't.

Mindrazor was faqd to use the units "raw" ld value, that on their profile. They can not use the generals ld

The old VC FAQ says that SIN works against a Banshee scream, I would bet that it stays.

This is the FAQ from the previous VC before they took it down, it was literally right underneath the FAQ about a scream not being a leadership test.

Q. Can Skaven use their Strength In Numbers bonus against the Banshee’s Ghostly Howl? (p49)
A. Yes.

[Iraf]

The old VC FAQ says that SIN works against a Banshee scream, I would bet that it stays.

This is the FAQ from the previous VC before they took it down, it was literally right underneath the FAQ about a scream not being a leadership test.

Q. Can Skaven use their Strength In Numbers bonus against the Banshee’s Ghostly Howl? (p49)
A. Yes.

It's a good thing to go by. Hopefully they FAQ the new VC soon to give an updated answer.

[Blkc57]

It's a good thing to go by. Hopefully they FAQ the new VC soon to give an updated answer.

I would think they would have to, to simply remove it from the FAQ and never address it would create confusion when the old FAQ took the time to go over it. They will have to rule on it one way or the other, my gut feeling is telling me though that they stick to the old interpretation of the Scream and give both SIN and Inspiring Presence to models affected. Just because the Scream didn't seem to change that drastically from 7th to 8th to warrant a complete 180 in their previous ruling. But this is all conjecture, we won't know till a new FAQ is released.

[Texhnolyze]

I would think they would have to, to simply remove it from the FAQ and never address it would create confusion when the old FAQ took the time to go over it. They will have to rule on it one way or the other, my gut feeling is telling me though that they stick to the old interpretation of the Scream and give both SIN and Inspiring Presence to models affected. Just because the Scream didn't seem to change that drastically from 7th to 8th to warrant a complete 180 in their previous ruling. But this is all conjecture, we won't know till a new FAQ is released.

But if they rule as "yes they can use SiN" they have to deal with all the,

Skave guy: "I can reroll that scream because of my bsb"
VC guy: "no you can't, it's not an LD test"
Skaven guy: "Well, if the Skaven can use SiN, which is also only for LD-tests *points at the FaQ*, then the BSB should work"
VC guy: "*sigh*"

[Soundwave]

Great another undefined leadership based question. My understanding is that no inspiring presence is used this is a characteristic based comparison against the target unit whom of which may use any characters leadership within the unit itself???

[GodlessM]

Except that the Scream attacks are not stated to use "un-modified" leadership. Therefore they can use Inspiring Presence unless FAQed otherwise...this also let's things like Doom and Darkness effect the Scream, if it was un-modified then it would be the highest leadership in the unit with NO modifiers (General's leadership if he's in the unit counts).

Un-modified = Highest in unit, no modifiers what-so-ever.
Otherwise use highest in unit or Inspiring Presence then apply all modifiers such as Doom and Darkness, etc.

There's a problem with your logic here; you may use Inspiring Presense for Ld tests, but this isn't a test.

[Texhnolyze]

There's a problem with your logic here; you may use Inspiring Presense for Ld tests, but this isn't a test.

Except that the rules for Inspiring Presense say: "Providing that the General is not fleeing, all friendly units within 12" use his Leadership instead of their own."

So it can always be used, not just for tests.

[T10]

7th ed specified tests. Subtle change, I guess.