DA rumor bit

[MajorWesJanson]

Why chop up/redo a couple of perfectly good sprues? The DA Infantry and Ravenwing sprues are still quite good in both quality and variety of bitz. Focus the design and production on a full Deathwing kit (maybe with a Plasma Cannon and Cyclone missile launcher as the heavy weapons in the box, with the existing Inf Sprue having the assault cannon) and new vehicles (Predator Executioner, Hawkwing flier)

[Starchild]

Mainly for the reasons given: too many redundant bitz. Plus the opportunity to add bitz that would be indispensable and spare GW from having to make generic DA models in resin (such as bitz to make any of the DA specialist characters: Chaplains, Interrogator Chaplains, Librarians, etc.)

[TheDoctor]

As Takei would say:
Oooohhhhhh my!!!

Plasma Predators- I would take them, even if they weren't as good as Autolas preds.
Lots of Chaplains- Yes, and give me Blades of Reason and Asmodai.

[Malakai]

Why chop up/redo a couple of perfectly good sprues? The DA Infantry and Ravenwing sprues are still quite good in both quality and variety of bitz. Focus the design and production on a full Deathwing kit (maybe with a Plasma Cannon and Cyclone missile launcher as the heavy weapons in the box, with the existing Inf Sprue having the assault cannon) and new vehicles (Predator Executioner, Hawkwing flier)

Dark Angels are one of my favorite armies and I don't even like to play Space Marines! Still I took a pass on the last sprue. The vehicle icons were chunky and gaudy which really ruined the aesthetic of the Ravenwing. The infantry bits didn't have ONE normal DA/DW symbolized shoulder pad.

Lots could have been done with that sprue. For example the Black Templar sprue, although older, is far superior to the Dark Angels one. Good shoulder pads for all troops including Termies as well as a nice vehicle sprue for the Rhino and Land Raider chassis.

I'm waiting to see if GW corrects the problem by adding a tank sprue or something. I know they won't redo the other sprues but that's ok, I'll keep using decals on my Landspeeders and shoulder pads.

[farfromsam]

The infantry bits didn't have ONE normal DA/DW symbolized shoulder pad..

What do you mean the infantry didn't have a normal symbolized shoulder pad? There are 5 regular PA and a 6th one for a sgt in the veteran upgrade sprue. Or are you talking about maybe something like the old metal ones with raised wings that make them easier to paint? Personally I like free handing my own wings, and I imagine only having the sword icon leaves room for designing a new icon for a second founding chapter spinoff.

[krzywy]

What do you mean the infantry didn't have a normal symbolized shoulder pad? There are 5 regular PA and a 6th one for a sgt in the veteran upgrade sprue. Or are you talking about maybe something like the old metal ones with raised wings that make them easier to paint? Personally I like free handing my own wings, and I imagine only having the sword icon leaves room for designing a new icon for a second founding chapter spinoff.

I think he meant there is not a single shoulder pad with a regular dark angels winged chapter icon. you get, like, four with a sword only (so that means one have to freehand the wings with paint), one with a sash and a sword, and one studded pre-heresy style. IIRC, there was like six of them on the sprue (with five regular, there was maybe twelve total), not a very wide choice. on the other hand, GW gives us a much wider choice today (look at head count on the GK terminator sprue or shoulder pads on the death company sprue, there is around 18 of them)

I really disliked the sprue. first of all, why did they connect the torsos and the legs? to make decent looking models, I had to cut the minis apart, then pin them and fill all the cracks with green stuff. secondly, the DA veteran sprue is the only marine sprue which was cast in BARBARIC fashion... I mean: lots of flash, poor fit, very little detalil and so on. however, the ravenwing sprue, which was released alongside the veterans sprue, is of much higher quality. the subsequent sprues (GK, BA) are also pristine.

[Mr. Ultra]

Totally agree with the sprue issue, when was released in 2007 I was horrified by the difference in quality between the Black Templar one and the Dark Angel one. The subsequent releases of Space Wolves, Blood Angels and Grey Knights onlu makes the grudge bigger and bigger.

Considering the Dark Angels ARE Marines after all, I don't see the release of a new, improved sprue like something impossible, à la Space Wolf. They'd never release plastic Valhallans, but for Marines, only the best! I hope as well we can see a full detailed plastic Deathwing standar.

[Starchild]

I was beyond excited when the DA upgrade sprues came out. My enthusiasm was blunted when I started building models from the army box. The biggest letdown for me as Malakai said was the shoulder pads. I simply never use these. Decals look much better, especially Forgeworld's DA decal sheet.

However I do like the small gothic bitz including the DA icons, incense burners, etc. I'm putting these all over my models. I think the Ravenwing bitz (not the shoulder pads) and the Techmarine helmet are brilliant. But there are just too many bitz that are either unusable or silly looking. There's definitely room for improvement.

[garfey]

The rumours sound good.. a Plasma Pred would be a nice new addition (as long as the rest of the chapters didn't get it like the baal) and maybe some kind of heavy plasma option for deathwing too. I think squads of chaplains led by interrorgators chaplains could be great - who better to hunt the fallen.

Don't forget about our Elite scouts too, they make us a bit more shooty than most other chapters.

As long as they expand more on the background, and not by making them have the only marine-tyranid alliance ever, and produce some nice models.. I'll be happy.

[farfromsam]

I think he meant there is not a single shoulder pad with a regular dark angels winged chapter icon. you get, like, four with a sword only (so that means one have to freehand the wings with paint), one with a sash and a sword, and one studded pre-heresy style. IIRC, there was like six of them on the sprue (with five regular, there was maybe twelve total), not a very wide choice. on the other hand, GW gives us a much wider choice today (look at head count on the GK terminator sprue or shoulder pads on the death company sprue, there is around 18 of them)

I really disliked the sprue. first of all, why did they connect the torsos and the legs? to make decent looking models, I had to cut the minis apart, then pin them and fill all the cracks with green stuff. secondly, the DA veteran sprue is the only marine sprue which was cast in BARBARIC fashion... I mean: lots of flash, poor fit, very little detalil and so on. however, the ravenwing sprue, which was released alongside the veterans sprue, is of much higher quality. the subsequent sprues (GK, BA) are also pristine.

That is what I was talking about. It is surprisingly easy to paint stylized wings on the sword shoulder pad. It also leaves the older metal pads to be used as veterans, command squad, Etc. As to whether or not the transfers look the same? Mine don't, and personally I HATE dealing with transfers, so I enjoy the chance to improve my (poor) painting skills. Could they have done more with the shoulder pads, yes. Could they be worse, YES. I'm fine with what was given.

I agree with the quality of the sprue... even after hours of filing down mold lines they still stand out. Bleached bone is unforgiving... Not alright.

[Commissar Merces]

Sounds like a cool rumor. Is it confirmed that we are getting a new codex in April?

[Raibaru]

If it were that soon I would suspect someone would have posted the back page of the WD and the spine with all the other images going around for tyranids and space wolves.

[samiens]

There hasn't been a back page preview in a long time, and the DA image on the spines could easilybe continued either way.

So basically we don't know, although with a 40k release in March, if DA are next its likely to be May at the earliest
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[HereticHammer01]

Plasma pred sounds very cool, but surely chaplains are a templars thing? Seems odd for DA to get that...

[Odin]

Plasma pred sounds very cool, but surely chaplains are a templars thing? Seems odd for DA to get that...

Arrgh.

This is why I wish Black Templars were still nothing more than another way to paint ultramarines. Dark Angels were there first with the dark armoured, white robed, warrior monk theme. Chaplains were always central to that theme - two out of the five 3rd edition special characters were chaplains, and the interrogator chaplains are one of the key defining elements of the chapter. Would have been much better if some of the ideas GW had for BTs had been used to expand on the Dark Angels a bit in 4th edition.

[MajorWesJanson]

Sounds like a cool rumor. Is it confirmed that we are getting a new codex in April?

It is not. April should be paints and either a Necron Wave or Empire for Fantasy.

[Starchild]

Sounds like a cool rumor. Is it confirmed that we are getting a new codex in April?

I truly wish that were so.

The only thing 100% confirmed from multiple sources is Dark Angels in the 40k 6th ed. starter box.

[Elios Harg]

Arrgh.

This is why I wish Black Templars were still nothing more than another way to paint ultramarines. Dark Angels were there first with the dark armoured, white robed, warrior monk theme. Chaplains were always central to that theme - two out of the five 3rd edition special characters were chaplains, and the interrogator chaplains are one of the key defining elements of the chapter. Would have been much better if some of the ideas GW had for BTs had been used to expand on the Dark Angels a bit in 4th edition.

What I don't get is how are chaplains even a Templar thing? Granted I am not terribly familiar with either of the Black Templar codices, but I do not remember them being particularly chaplain heavy

[MajorWesJanson]

What I don't get is how are chaplains even a Templar thing? Granted I am not terribly familiar with either of the Black Templar codices, but I do not remember them being particularly chaplain heavy

Kind of be Default, I would say. They lack Librarians entirely, hate psykers and heretics, and Grimaldus is such an icon of the Templars that it has sort of morphed into being Chaplain heavy.

While DA have Interrogator Chaplains, they also keep their psykers, and have both the Deathwing and Ravenwing, as well as the Fallen.

[Gorbad Ironclaw]

While DA have Interrogator Chaplains, they also keep their psykers, and have both the Deathwing and Ravenwing, as well as the Fallen.

Nitpicking maybe, but they don't have the Fallen. They hunt the Fallen, it's part of their background but it's not something you can field in the army so I don't really know I'd say they have them any more than I'd say that Ultramarines have Tyranids.