Damn. Well, you can't have everything....Originally Posted by Wyrmwood
But I really hope Sigi kills some high profile Traitors. Hopefully
Damn. Well, you can't have everything....
But I really hope Sigi kills some high profile Traitors. Hopefully
Am I the only one who has considered the idea that the Lion might have been possessed/taken sides with a daemon? There is the conversation he has with the greater daemon of Tzeentch, followed by the odd inner monologue he seems to have in the last two pages...answering questions that we dont hear/see. Combine this with his plans seeming to be to both counter Guilliman and Horus it would suggest a daemonic influence. Of course I know that this is not conclusive as it is pretty vague..however I am surprised that no one seems to have mentioned it?
Also in reference to the debate about the Lion's motives and loyalty. The killing of Nemiel was not done simply because he said that the Emperor was above the Lion, it was after an officer was bare faced disobeying direct orders from his commander, in a situation of dire consequences where time was running out fast. The Lion's reaction merely proves that he is a very troubled and emotional man who is very conflicted given what has happened with the heresy. I have to say that I do no like the Lion's character as I can agree he is too scatty and all over the place, as well as being a very strangely bad judge of character and bad judge of punishment! As he effectively created the Lurtheran heresy. I do however think that his character is pretty consistent within the stories that he is in. A very powerful warrior and tactician, but plagued with a problem of not being able to interact with others well, even his closest commanders. It is this issue that causes him to become paranoid and mistrusting of stout loyalists such as Guilliman whom have shown nothing but honour and loyalty to the Emperor, so much so that Horus did not even attempt to sway him.
As a hint (and unable to use spoiler marks) on the last 2 pages the Lion might be having a chat with a little hooded chappy from Caliban... Not a daemon
Maulerfiends are on the loose, Maulerfiends are go;
Mauler, Mauler, Mauler, Maulerfiends!
He sides with a daemon to beat the Night Lords, though.
And you're that sure that the "little hooded chappies from Caliban" aren't daemons? It's never really been said quite what they are.
It's left up to the reader's interpretation whether he uses Tuchulcha, knowing what it is or whether he does so out of ignorance to the what of it. Similarly, just as it's not been said that the Watchers aren't daemons, it's never been implied that they are either. Despite the mystique, they've always been shown as, if not good, then looking out for the welfare of the Lion.
Also, I have a question:
Last edited by Wyrmwood; 26-07-2012 at 22:39. Reason: Spoiler tags.
Watchers are never fully defined but they certainly proclaim to be fighting Chaos on Caliban. So to answer no we don't know, but there only as much reason to believe they are as there is to believe the Emperor is (although there actually better evidence for the latter)
Maulerfiends are on the loose, Maulerfiends are go;
Mauler, Mauler, Mauler, Maulerfiends!
i thought the greater demon was him to actually...
So, wait, consorting with daemons is now only bad if you know what you're doing? (Though it seems pretty clear that he knows it's not something normal).
What happened to daemons being subtle masters of temptation, enticing people into damnation before they even know what's going on? They're still damned by it. Does that not count now, or something? You think maybe if the Emperor had heard about it, he'd have been all "oh, don't worry, you didn't know"?
It doesn't justify his actions either way.
However, either answer dramatically changes the way we perceive character. Is he a pragmatist that likes to take huge risks, or is he a misguided idealist who just happens to recognize the solution to his problem when he sees it?
Glad I'm not the only one!
Now, that's not what I said - is it.
Perhaps more importantly, what seems to be the Lion's original justification simply confirms his established character; it's this call that allows his later reasoning to flourish. He trusts only himself and his own power, in a time of the most ardent betrayal it is somewhat pragmatic. The Lion's reasoning is dangerously close to some of the traitors though but that's nothing new, back when Angels of Darkness was one of the only available sources of information on the Dark Angels' role in the Heresy it provoked a lot of discussion, but I'm sure you know that*.
What's interesting is that he actually agrees with Curze.
*Bought it up for clarity to those who may not know.
I'm late to the party, but that's a very exiting idea. In fact...
The watchers i believe work for the Cabal, i'm sure there is one spotted when they 1st show up (uncredited) in Descent of Angels
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