Anyone have experience using maxed chaos squads

[pmavoider]

I am planning on running a list with a 20 man squad of csm and zerkers. Just wanted to see if anyone has experience with something similar.

Thanks

[Laughingmonk]

I would avoid the 20 man CSM units. They have no real morale staying power, and one bad combat could see them run down. Plus, you lose flexibility to act against multiple targets, and additional weapon options.

As for the Berzerkers, I would split them into two units. If not simply to be more flexible, I would hate to see a scary elite assault unit kill half of the guys and see you make a bunch of 'No Retreat' saves losing more guys. With two units, you would have one wiped out and have the other counter charge with their furious charge goodiness.

TL;DR: Split them up for flexibility. The Kill point liability will be minimal, as multiple units can engage multiple targets, possibly gaining more KP for you, offsetting the KP disadvantage.

[blurrymadness]

I believe I had a friend run a full squad of Berzerkers. I (obviously) got the charge with a squad of 6 Manz + boss from a battlewagon. 18 Berzerkers died in one turn. :s

[Kevlar]

Chaos is better off fielding MSU for the most part with troops because of the access to special or heavy weapons. Stuff like Chosen, Plague Marines, Terminators, Raptors, etc. 2x plasma or melta on 5 guys. Well, terminators get combi-weapons on every guy, but with MSU you can take a reaper on every 3 termis. Noise Marines can get a blastmaster w/5 too, fairly powerful weapon for a cheap price. Its a krak missile template. A little tougher than a plasma cannon!

[bigbear bailey]

Only time they are okay is if you are running a lord on a Palaquin or a Jugger. With that in mind it's honestly best to have a group of 20 come down off a icon and have him join them from there, that way they are all fearless and he can do the mega killing.

[Cheeslord]

My brother ran 15 strong CSM squads for a bit, though when we played team games they didn't seem to achieve much (may have been bad luck however)

Mark.

[Latro_]

Faced off against one lead by huron with my orks (i play csm too though), yea,,, not great, I think maybe huron and 2 of them made it to combat I shot the rest! and i was playing orks!!!

[pmavoider]

Orks huh that doesn't say much for how well they will do. I should be using the list shortly,I'll let you know how it goes.

[Johnnyb]

only EVER take 8 zerkers.................Khorne knows when you dont!

[Kelanen]

20 man units for CSM are outright bad. They don't survive that much better than a 10 man given sweeps, and overkill, but cost double the points, and half the special weapon density. 20 Berzerkers are *far* less fearsome than 10 in a Rhino.

Plagues should be 5 man, Berzerkers and CSM 10 (with Noise and 1KSons just not taken). I've fought against 20 man units when a friend tried doing a CSM horde and it was awful.

[Rogerio]

I started playing my CSM units in Rhinos and had 2 squads in rhinos with Meltas and Champ with fist but have since totally redesigned the unit to have 10 guys with Missile launcher and plasma guns who sit at the back and defend with all my oblits and a predator and my dread. They throw out alot of shots and bring the enemy onto them, and when they do come on i then use my 2 zerk units plagues and termies to come on and counter charge the weakened units and crush them all.