Orcs vs Gobbos: Who would win?

[Oogie boogie boss]

Oh dear, that doesn't bode well for my SO army.......glad to see the Orcs come out on top though. As for the OP, by 'all orc', that should include savages and black orcs. By 'all goblin', that includes NG as well as common goblins, as well as affiliated units (squig hoppers/herders). Trolls, Giants and snotlings should be able to be used by either.

[Dark Aly]

Aye but we'd already started this leaque. The savage orcs suffered because I didn't have many models and as we tried to include everything in 800 points the units weren't very large and robust. I think the savage orcs found frenzy and only Ld 7 a bit of an issue too. We're going to try again in a month as Urgat suggested best of three and I should be able to have a 1000 point force for each faction. Maybe we'll do a battle royale event with both Orc armies vs both gobbos just for kicks too.

TBH I'm having so much fun with all the different themes of O&Gs that my other armies are feeling a little left out. So I'm going to get some games in with them over the next month.

[Urgat]

Can you share the lists with us? It'd be interesting to see how is what. If you ask me the common goblins really under performed

[Oogie boogie boss]

I second that. Well, the first part. I'd be interested to see what was in each force and what magic item combos were used.

[Dark Aly]

Savage Orcs
Shaman
Extra level, shrunken head

20 big Uns
AHW, Standard, Boss (shaman in here too)

30 Savage Orcs
AHW, Standard, Musician

5 Boar Boys
AHW, Standard

Orcs
Great Shaman
Talisman of endurance

19 Arrer Boys
Standard

20 Boys
Standard, Shields

18 Black Orcs
Standard

Boar chariot

Night Goblins
Great Shaman

BSB
Standard of disipline, LA, Shield

38 Night Goblins
Bows, Nets, Standard, musician, 1x fanatic

40Night goblins
nets, standard, musician, spears

squig heard
14 squigs, 6 handlers

mangler squig

Common Goblins
Great Shaman

BSB
LA, Shield

40 Goblins
Shields, standard, musician

40 Goblins
Shields, stanard, musician, 1x nasty skulker

5 wolf riders
bows

2x spear chukkas

2xwolf chariots
(in a single unit)

1 Troll

I know these lists are far from optimal but it's almost everything I have. I also wanted to include as many stereotypical units in each army; I mean what is a night goblin army without squigs and fanatics.

For the next round maybe the people here on warseer could suggest army lists of 1000 points for their preffered faction. We don't mind proxy models so feel free to suggest what ever you think is best.

[Oogie boogie boss]

I can definately see why the SO suffer (not that i'm biased). I'd ditch the shaman and go for a combat character and some more troops. There just aren't enough models in that army for absorb any kind of damage, or to deal out enough in return. I'd also change the Big' Un's just normal Sorcs, so you can get more of them.
Obviously, as you say, it's limited by models available, but at this points level, they don't have enough models to make it worth trying to compete magically. Better to play to their strengths and go full on combat, and take the magic hit until they get into combat.

As for the other lists, I think they're pretty good, especially the NG list. Thanks for keeping us updated, i for one can't wait to see what happens next!

[Dark Aly]

I wanted to use the shrunken head TBH as a lot of people on here seem to think it's very good (it is) but I also thought they might need some high strength attack which is why I went for big uns. Next time I'll follow your advice and try a full on combat army. They also struggled with only having 3 true savage orc units to choose from; savage orcs, big uns and boar boys. I might try some none savage orc auxillaries like trolls or pump wagons next time too.

I wrote all the lists and commanded an army in each of the battles and some things with O&Gs are still a little new to me (I've only had the savages for a couple of weeks)

[Oogie boogie boss]

It might be an idea to make the SO Boar Boys Big 'Uns and give them spears and shields. That'll give you ST6 attacks on the charge for an impact unit, and won't cost as much as a unit of Big 'Un infantry. I'm not saying an all combat force is a sure-fire hit, but if they are struggling it might be an idea.
For the other lists i think you've gotten the balance right though, hence why they are doing better. And i'd see trolls and giants as interchangeable between the four armies, as they fit into the fluff of them all.

[Urgat]

No warbosses in either goblin lists? Those Ld tests must be very fun Did the troll pass a single stupidity test?
Seriously, for 1000 points (common gobs), you take a lvl2 shaman, a warboss (don't waste magic points on him, you keep him behind the lines to babysit, you take him for his Ld, nothing else), the BRB, and you pack 3 nasty skulkers in both units to mitigate damage (and hopefully dealing some). And then, I supposed if you took that, it's because you don't have anything else. I wouldn't take the troll, I can't see what a lone troll can achieve. Well I wouldn't take the chukkas either, but it's down to personal tastes, mine always fail to wound so I've just given up on them. I'd either take a doomdiver instead, or take a real unit of trolls (well, I always take a unit of river trolls, so...). I'd try and free points to give bows to the gobs, too. having HW+shields+bows is a real strength worth sacrificing a few gobs.

[Brother Haephestus]

I don't think asking me to choose when I love them both is very fair.

I haven't gotten enough Greenskin in 8th, my forces a bit too random and building up slowly. Warrior of Chaos and I are going to throw down 4000pts per of OnG vs Chaos Warrior goodness. I'm hoping to do well, with two 60-ct NG hordes, Araknarok, Giant, a large block of trolls, Black Orcs, Savage Orcs, all sorts of flankers, 2 Spear Chukkas and a Doom Diver. Oh - BO Warboss general on Wyvern vs his Chaos Warrior Lord on Manticore - we both wanted to show off our generals on monsters! That's the advantage of playing fun games - you can actually risk having your general out and crumping things instead of hiding him in the rear in a 100-gobbo "bunker of fear".

[Warrior of Chaos]

I think I have a soft spot for Orcs myself, but Gobbos gotz the zany goodness. Well Brother H, whenever you are ready to get the beat down let me know. I'll bring the beer, you bring the band-aids!

[Eyrenthaal]

I started à snotling warband for mordheim.. Now It's a army.. Using them as gobbos they win about as much as they loose. But they're almost always fun to play..

[Gop]

LOL it would be an epic battle with much bloodshed. Then the dwarfs can clap their gauntlets and wipe the survivors out

[excessiveswagger]

gobbos all the way. Get all the warmachines, the big spider, the squig herds, and the wolf chariots

[Oogie boogie boss]

Orcs seem to be pulling away again. I think if someone does test this, it should be the best of three battles, with different scenarios for each. That way, we really do get an idea of which is the better choice.