Orcs vs Gobbos: Who would win?

[Awilla the Hun]

It is of course self-evident in the view of Comrade Von Stahl that the goblin bourgeoisie will ultimately triumph over the warmongering warlord-militarism of the Orcs due to their comparatively great and innovative mastery of machinery and cunning triumphing over the limited and inferior Orcish intellect. They shall then in turn be overthrown by the true greenskin Proletariat, the Snotlings. Together, Comrades, the workers shall march to victory!

[Jind_Singh]

Pff!!! The orcs have too many inherent weaknesses - they would crumble to a well led gobbo list:

In close combat we trump them thanks to netters, Nasty Skulkers, more characters, MORE NUMBERS, Squig Herds (Even Squig Hoppers)

In the arms race we smash them as the Orcs have NO WARMACHINES (And to be fair to my opponent I won't take any either - just 2 spear chukkas)

We have distraction units

We gots it all!!

2500 points - I'm taking my all Goblin list I use each and every game - and there isn't an orc Player out there who can beat me - THERE, SAID IT!!!!

[Oogie boogie boss]

You know what they say, jind: 'Pride cometh before a choppa in the face'.

[Jind_Singh]

IN the words of MC Gobbo...

"Can't chop this"

(As in MC Hammer, Can't Touch this!)

[Oogie boogie boss]

'When the fist hits your eye and you think you might cry, that's animosity...' (To the tune of Dean Martin's 'That's Amore')

[Artinam]

Oogie Boogie Boss, consider that line sigged .

[Malorian]

2500 points - I'm taking my all Goblin list I use each and every game - and there isn't an orc Player out there who can beat me - THERE, SAID IT!!!!

This would be my standard all orc list at 2500:

Lvl 4 savage orc great shaman w/ shrunken head, fencers blades

Orc big boss BSB w/ silvered steal, great weapon

40 savage orc big uns w/ extra choppa, banner
50 shield orcs w/ banner
50 shield orcs w/ banner
20 arrer boyz

40 black orcs w/ banner, flaming banner
5 savage orc boar boyz w/ shield
Boar chariot
Boar chariot


One thing we could do right away is something like OnceBitten and I did were we have a game through pictures or skype. Either one of us could host it as I'm sure we each have enough models for both armies

[dementian]

Ok I want to see this battle happening!

Make it so! And I want it televised.

[Malorian]

Anyone know of any orc/goblin scenario? Maybe from an old white dwarf or something?

[Glenn87]

I'd say, fluffwise gobbo's would win.
Gobbo's are much more 'tactical', and smart where Orcs would probally just go WAAAGH!! storm forward!!

Also, depends on wich Gobbo's, I'm sure that all of the Orcs would be able to enslave the normal gobbo's, but they'll lose out in the mountains against the NG's or in the forests of the FG's.

[vinush]

Gobbos. I've witnessed first hand how disproportionately destructive they are for their points compared to orcs. Especially towards other greenskins (well, my own greenskins who are allegedly on their own side).

I once (way back in 4th or possibly even 3rd edition) had three fanatics tear their way through a unit of 20 black orcs and leave only the standard bearer behind. He valiantly (or stupidly) passed his ld test and then got wiped out by one on the way back.

Nets under current edition effectively neuter the benefit of choppas, they have sneaky gits, they have spiders, wolves, war machines and all sorts of crazy things like that, coupled with being able to double or more the number of troops you take for the points, coupled with really cheap characters means they can dish out the hurt better than orc can, softening them up before they get close with some really good, really cheap war machines and the cheap hordes of bow armed gobbos hiding fanatics.

THE \/ince

[Jind_Singh]

My standard list for the tournament was:

Goblin Warboss, armour of destiny, great axe, ironcurse icon
Night Goblin Warboss, Stunty basha, armour of fortune, shield
Night Goblin Great Shaman, level 4, Dragonbane Gem

Goblin Big Boss, BSB, light armour & shield, Spider Banner
Night Goblin Big Boss, enchanted shield & spear, Giant Squig
Night Goblin Big Boss, Great Axe

45 Common Goblins, full command, bows & shields (Goblin Warboss & BSB here)
48 Night Goblins, full command, hand weapons & Shields, netters, 1 fanatic (Night Goblin Warboss & Big Boss here)
49 Night Goblins, full command, spears & Shields, netters, 1 fanatic (Night Goblin Great Shaman here)
5 Spider Riders, bows

15 Squigs, 10 Herders
5 Squig Hoppers
Goblin Wolf Chariot
Goblin Wolf Chariot
Spear Chukka
Spear Chukka

Arachnarok Spider
Giant
Mangler Squig
Pump Wagon


And I'll use it again to show you upptiy gits once and for all that Gobobs are cool, Orc boyz just drool!!

[Mallo]

Give the snots to the orcs - I don't use them anyway!!

My standard list for the tournament was:


Pump Wagon

Busted! We see you sneaking snotling's in to your list!

But anyway, Goblins would win over orc's anyday. I have not read this years White dwarfs yet, but have then in a stack but wondering if they have included the greenskins in the Civil war rules.

Ok I want to see this battle happening!

Make it so! And I want it televised.

I'd like to see this too. This would be the best thing on TV since...well, there's never anything good on television!

[Malorian]

The orc list seems stronger, but you never know with Jind... he's sneaky... like a goblin!

[Jind_Singh]

"Sneaking? Sneaking? Poor Gobbos just helping and you call me names and say we's sneaking!!!"

"Sorry Gobbo, what was you doing?"

"SNEAKING!"

[Jind_Singh]

I think that this can only be settled in one way - a battle royale - either a virtual battle with telephoned instructions OR an actual face-to-face game - either way we need to make this happen and settle this argument once and for all - as for lists, I can drop the pump wagon - he was just in there for the 2500 point tournament - and because he's custom made.

[vinush]

I think we should allow the pump wagon. Them brutish orcses have been picking on the smaller greenskins for some time, so it was only a matter of time before they banded together...

THE \/ince

[Malorian]

Meh, if you knock out the snotlings then you might as well knock out the giant, and I'd hate to see Jind cry

Do you have Skype Jind?

Only unit I don't own from your list is the bow/shield goblins.

[Leogun_91]

I'd say, fluffwise gobbo's would win.
Gobbo's are much more 'tactical', and smart where Orcs would probally just go WAAAGH!! storm forward!!

Common orcs, yes. Black Orcs are however the most tactical and disciplined of the greenskins, they came up with the winning strategy of bashing others to restore order (rather than bashing them for fun when all hell breaks lose as both goblins and orcs do).

[Agoz]

You could always do the battle using photoshop like the ogre stronghold does, or use universal battle, might be a bit easier.