Ratskin Shaman

[Whitesilk]

Did a search and didn't find what I need, so I need assistance.

What I need to know is where can I find the profile for the Ratskin Shaman. What I was able to find through the search engine was that there seems to be 2 list. One where there are Totem Warriors, and one where there is a Shaman but no Totem Warriors. Kind of a one-or-the-other deal.

Off the GW/SpecGames the Ratskin List states that the shaman would be covered in a later issue. It never got around to being posted.

What I do have is the Ash Waste Shaman from Necromunda #2, I would be willing to use that as the profile for the Ratskin Shaman but then I stumbled upon that there may be two list I have to chose from.

Soooooo....where can I go for a "Official" list. I need a official list for I am playing in a GW store campaign. Actually I am fairly certain that I can use any list as long as it doesn't fly in the face of the GW pdf rulebook, but to be safe I rather have one that is the official version.

Thanks in advance -Silk

[Whitesilk]

Found this one, but not sure if its the old version or a house one: http://files.sigil.biz/data/o_ratskin_renegades.pdf I'm leaning towards that this is the old version, seeing as it doesn't have Totem Warriors at all on the List.

also on that same site is a House Rule one. Its nice, but the shamans Spirit Walk is crazy!! 6d6 LoS, and Fear!

[AndrewGPaul]

Soooooo....where can I go for a "Official" list.

Ain't no such thing. The only "official" stuff is what's on the website. Of course, depending on who's running the campaign, that's usually irrelevant.

That document you linked to is a scan of the original Ratskin Renegades rules from the Outlanders supplement. That's as official as you'll get. The only change is that the Shaman got replaced with the Totem Warriors, so it's a good bet that any official rules would have simply been these rules re-printed, perhaps making the Shaman a Hired Gun. You could work out a hire cost as if the Shaman lost a leadership contest and was banished.

Also, note the Steal Prowess power - go after van Saar gangs, and steal all their Techno skills. Get hold of someone with Specialist, then you can use weapons like plasma guns and flamers.

[Whitesilk]

I like the Shaman. I may stick with the Renegade list, though...Totem Warriors are nice too. They are a tad expensive for heavies, but seeing as they seem to be great CC monsters at the start I can see the cost for them. Making a Shaman Hired Gun is a nifty idea, but...for me... I want to advance the Shaman.

So, I just wrote my mind up I'm going to use the Renegade list.

Thanks

[Malo]

I enjoyed the Totem Warriors. Get a Spur fixer and watch them slaughter opposing gangs single-handed

[Whitesilk]

I do like the Totem Warriors, once I wrapped my head around the fact that are not the typical "heavies," but I want to try out the Shaman. Also I thought of doing a Hired Gun Shaman stat, but I want him to advance.

So here is my Ratskin List (from the Old Version, from the Outlander Book)
Chief:
Blindskin Pouch, Autogun, Stubgun w/DumDum, Sword
Shaman:
AutoPistol, Shotgun
Ratskins: (Gangers) x6
x4 Autoguns, x1 Musket, x1 Shotgun
Braves: (Juves) x3
x1 Musket, x1 Hand Bow, x1 Stubgun

They all have the free club/knife.

So I have 11 models to start off with. 6 gangers, 3 Juves, and 53cr. left over. I was thinking of getting a grenade or another Juve or specialist rounds for the shotguns. The hand bow is something of a novelty, just want to try out once and quickly get it replaced.

Thoughts on the list?

[Malo]

I like it, very much like my own lists. A lot of players try to build Ratskins like normal gangs and shy away from the more archaic flimsy weapons, but they're part of the Ratskin character. They're cheap weapons and challenging to use to their potential.

[Whitesilk]

I agree. I enjoy the storyline adventure more than winning.

The only drawback that I do have with Ratskins is that I only have those 11 models, maybe 12 tops. After that I'd have to rely on proxy or Hired Guns.

Now Eschers....I can field a literal army of em.

[Brother Fenix]

If you have the book pictured in the first link under image #4 on this thread, it contains the original shaman rules.

http://www.warseer.com/forums/showth...rent-rulebooks

Or the original outlanders supplement.

OR buy this:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Necromunda-H...item519d518d1c

Or this:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/WARHAMMER-40...item231a6ac608

This maybe too:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/3-Necromunda...item2c6374705e

Or PM me, since I have that book.

Oh wait, I just looked at that pdf file. nevermind you have it already.

[Kichang]

I have never played against or fielded ratskins but they strike me as an up close and personal gang with their increased resilience (injury table roll twice and pick best) That suggests a "chuck bodies at your enemy til you win" mindset. Numbers must be key!

Go with an all stealth handbow gang, not often you see someone with a 4+ save and hopefully you can close the range for the hit modifier.

[Malo]

LRB version of Ratskins were re-roll injury, must take 2nd result. Just FYI. Even then I didn't lose a single Ratskin in 20 games in a recent campaign.

[Kichang]

Where have I read it as roll twice and pick best result? I know there are several versions of the ratskin gang. A version with a shaman but no totem warriors and another with totem warriors and their special melee weapon.

Even still, rerolling a dead result or multiple injury is pretty good odds of keeping a ratskin gang healthy compared to a normal gang.

[Malo]

Pick best is the original 1st edition rules from Outlanders.

[Brother Fenix]

Two things that tick me off about the new rules, this line:

Ratskins derive no direct benefit from possessing Archeotech sites, but these special places do give them the favour of the hive spirits. This favour aids Ratskin Shamans that join the gang, full rules for which will be in a future issue of Fanatic.

Thanks for getting around to those rules.

and this:

When a foe is slain his departing spirit can be absorbed by the Ratskin, but only if he is very close by....A spirit that is absorbed adds its power to the Ratskin and will not be reborn as a new foe.

Is this supposed to allow Totem Warriors to take the skills of those they vanquish, like the old Shaman rules, or is this just a long explanation for why they must use close combat weapons?

Anyway, I only play the original rules for Ratskins.

[ChiTownPicaro]

I am thinking of playing a Ratskin gang in an upcoming campaign and I am not really a fan of the new rules. I love the Shaman and taking the best injury roll. I wanted to tag this for the links to the old rules.