1K - A few lists... (Skaven / Bretonnia / Vampire Counts)

[Grey Seer Kwokka]

Fantasy Army: BoC

I'm currently in the process of purchasing various models for three small armies that I'm running. The Skaven army is my pride and joy, what will inevitably be upgraded to 2K+ in the future, but I'm looking for general opinions on all from more seasoned players than I.

SKAVEN - 998.5pts
Heroes - 250pts
Krushklaw the Mad
Warlock Engineer [150pts]
Accompanies Clanrats...
- w/ Lvl 2 Wizard Upgrade
Magic Item: Warp-energy Condenser
Magic Item: Talisman of Endurance

Warchief Skannox
Battle Standard Bearer [100pts]
Accompanies Clanrats...
- w/ Warpmusket
Magic Banner: Standard of Discipline


Core - 490.5pts
1x 23 Clanrats Regiment [123.5pts]
- w/ Hand Weapons & Shields
- w/ Clawleader Commander
- w/ Standard Bearer & Musician

1x 30 Stormvermin Regiment [265pts]
- w/ Fangleader Commander
- w/ Standard Bearer & Musician
Magic Banner: Shroud of Dripping Death

1x 40 Skavenslaves Regiment [102pts]
- w/ Hand Weapons & Shields
- w/ Musician


Special - 108pts
1x 6 Gutter Runners Unit [108pts]
- w/ Poisoned Weapons
- w/ Slings


Rare - 150pts
Doomwheel [150pts]

I wanted to ensure magic presence on the board, but absolutely refuse to deploy a Grey Seer at this points level (though I will be taking one when I upgrade, most likely on a bell). I'm quite fond of Clan Skryre from a fluff perspective, hence the rather unorthodox idea to run a Warlock Engineer as general. The standard bearer brings a +1 LD banner to work around the naturally lower value, bringing me to re-rollable 9.

The standard bearer also has a Warpmusket to add a little pressure to the Warp Lightning spam to ensue from the bunker. I had considered a Warplock Pistol instead, but the range was limited.



BRETONNIA - 1000pts
Heroes - 242pts
Paladin [147pts]
Rides w/ Grail Knights...
- w/ Grail Vow
- w/ Shield
- w/ Barded Warhorse
Magic Item: Gold Sigil Sword
Magic Item: Dragonhelm
Knightly Virtue: Virtue of Confidence

Battle Standard Bearer [95pts]
Rides w/ Grail Knights...
- w/ Grail Vow
- w/ Barded Warhorse


Core - 386pts
9x Knights of the Realm [264pts]
- w/ Gallant Commander
- w/ Standard Bearer & Musician

16x Peasant Bowmen [122pts]
- w/ Skirmisher Upgrade
- w/ Brazier
- w/ Villein Commander


Special - 175pts
3x Pegasus Knights [175pts]
- w/ Gallant Commander
- w/ Musician


Rare - 197pts
4x Grail Knights [197pts]
- w/ Standard Bearer & Musician
Magic Banner: Lichebone Pennant

The idea behind this one... Well, I absolutely love Grail Knights. I really want to engineer a small force based around them, which I do realize isn't the most popular rare choice vs. a Trebuchet and limits me in other departments. The characters have been upgraded to accompany the Grail Knights and the standard bearer given a little bit of magic defense to counteract concentrated attacks against them.



VAMPIRE COUNTS - 991pts
Heroes - 208pts
Vampire [208pts]
Accompanies Black Knights...
- w/ Shield
Vampiric Power: Aura of Dark Majesty
Vampiric Power: Dread Knight
Magic Item: Biting Blade
Magic Item: Armour of Fortune
Magic Item: Luckstone
Mount: Barded Nightmare


Core - 290pts
28x Skeleton Warriors [160pts]
- w/ Standard Bearer & Musician

28x Skeleton Warriors [160pts]
- w/ Standard Bearer & Musician


Special - 288pts
7x Black Knights [208pts]
- w/ Nightmare Barding
- w/ Hell Knight Commander
- w/ Standard Bearer & Musician
Magic Banner: Banner of Eternal Flame

5x Fellbats [80pts]


Rare - 175pts
1x Varghulf [175pts]

Not really sure with this one, I just know that I love the knights and really, really want to run a Vampire rather than the atypical MotD Necro.

[Brother Malleus]

I really like your Bretonnian list, for a 1k list you got 2 good hammer units and a supporting option if they're required. You even covered the base of the bane of Bretonnia scenario

[zielonkak]

in the vampire list, i would drop core to min 250 points, so maybe make a 30-40 block of skellies, and maybe a cheap block of zombies and a unit of wolves. i think you could do with less bats and then try to trim some points off of your vamp to add a necro in there...magic is worth it more and he can run the army if your vamp dies

[Asuryan's Spear]

with the skellies- go hard or go home. go for a big unit of 40 and use the extra points to start a unit of zombies. keep these by the necro which zielonkak suggested and watch it grow to a horde in no time. on the other handi recently played a disgusting 1K VC army led by a master necro lvl 4. his raising was insane and it just had to many numbers for the average 1K size unit to take down. moral of the story. keep raising and go big with units as you are unlikely to comeup against blenders good enough to handle charges and ressurection that you can put out

[Grey Seer Kwokka]

Why is there so much focus on using a Necromancer though? Outside of the use of Master of the Dead, is there something they can do that Vampires cannot?

[m1acca1551]

There CHEAPER at the end of the day you are paying fewer points for a caster lord and not for fab combat abilities that wont be used, unless you want to risk your genersl to not only the miscast table but also combat...

So no apart from master of the dead they are no where near as good but... ^^

level 4 vamps are rare now days unless in really big games, but even then people choose a necro lord and the vamp is there to smash units open.

[Grey Seer Kwokka]

Alright. I know I want a Vampire in there, so I might have to try and squeeze some stuff out to fit a Necromancer too. Maybe lessen the Fellbats?

[m1acca1551]

Fell bats really dont add much to the list except war machine hunters, and at 1k you may find a shortage of them, cutting them out will allow you to take a necro. A necro with master of the dead will allow for more bodies on the field, if you find that you cant upgrade him, drop aura of dark majesty and/or dread knight. You will find that these wont have much use apart from that fluffy feel.

My 1k list contains a necro and wight king for characters and thats it, max out on core and special troops especially spirit hordes, the lack of magic and magical weapons can really put the hurt on.

[Grey Seer Kwokka]

Ok, here's a re-do of the VC list.

VAMPIRE COUNTS - 999pts
Lords - 195pts
Master Necromancer [195pts]
Accompanies Skeleton Warriors...
- w/ Master of the Dead Upgrade
Magic Item: Seed of Rebirth


Heroes - 187pts
Vampire [187pts]
Accompanies Black Knights...
- w/ Heavy Armor
- w/ Shield
Vampiric Power: Dread Knight
Vampiric Power: Summon Creatures of the Night
Magic Item: Nightshroud
Mount: Barded Nightmare


Core - 285pts
25x Skeleton Warriors [145pts]
- w/ Standard Bearer & Musician

10x Skeleton Warriors [50pts]

10x Dire Wolves [90pts]
- w/ Doomwolf Commander


Special - 332pts
7x Black Knights [212pts]
- w/ Lances
- w/ Nightmare Barding
- w/ Standard Bearer & Musician
Magic Banner: Banner of Eternal Flame

1x Corpse Cart [120pts]
- w/ Unholy Lodestone Upgrade

Obviously, the small lot of skellies acts as a bunker for the Master Necromancer. I've got much stronger magic with this list as a result of the changes, but I had to drop the Varghulf to make up the points. I switched out the magic weapon on my Vampire for the ability to buff the Dire Wolves too, but not sure if that will be a massive help. Though, it does give me the ability to increase any unit in the army beyond starting size now.

[m1acca1551]

Dropping the vargulf aint that big of an issue, dur to the ability to raise more bodies, so you will infact come out out ahead at the end of the day.