The Butcher's Nails thoughts..

[Son of Sanguinius]

Which of the readers handles this piece? Ellis? Armstrong?

[Scribe of Khorne]

When you've listened to Angron going through eldar with Gorechild and Gorefather you'll be glad you've heard the audio.

Cheers,

Gav

Perhaps, but its a different type of experience. I like to be engaged with media, and audio only doesnt fit well in my life. Something like this I want to give full attention to, and I rarely treat audio in that way. If that makes any sense?

EDIT: Also whats the run time?

[Lupe]

Lorgar...

Lorgar has continued down the path of change. He is no longer cowed and no longer backs down from his brothers bloody threats and insults. Its clear to all, word bearers and world eaters alike, that he has certainly become more a zealot and lost his naivety. He starts down the path of trying to build some sort of relationship with Angron, which doesnt work. My impression is that lorgar is trying to feel out what role Angron will be playing in the large scheme of things. As soon as he discovers it he realizes Angron will turn to the blood god and become a powerful tool of destruction to be unleashed upon terra. He goes from discussing the horrible destruction the butchers nails have on Angron to saying that they are as much of him as anything else and that they should be left alone. In a way, it seems that Lorgar is trying to figure out which brother will play what role and once discovered will help them along the path to said role.

See, I saw this part here differently.

Lorgar's genuinely concerned about how

the nails are going to kill Angron off eventually. Now, there might not be any brotherly love between the two, but Lorgar clearly doesn't want harm to fall on his brother primarchs, regardless of the side they've chosen (see his regrets over Ferrus' death - expressed both in The First Heretic, and Butcher's Nails - and his pledge to free Fulgrim - see Aurelian). So when the prospect of Angron earning Khorne's favor becomes apparent, he stops trying to dissuade his brother from burning himself out, in the hope that a Chaos God's favor will stave off the imminent self destruction that even a primarch's physiology can't indefinitely postpone

[Son of Sanguinius]

Can anyone elaborate on the nature of the "butcher's nails"? What is it about them that makes them capable of felling a Primarch? Or are they simply a plot device?

[Scribe of Khorne]

From the little posted in this thread, they keep him from fully entering any kind of restorative sleep, and generally are breaking him down due to that + the rigors of being a Primarch. Without the ability to fully heal, and the toll 200 years of not sleeping would take on the body/mind, its pretty easy to see how Angron would be in the state he is in. I've gone a few days without sleep, its not pretty.

[Nazguire]

Can Leper Messiah please elaborate more on Kharn and the World Eaters inner workings?

[Haeslich]

It's not clear how long Angron hasn't been sleeping. I doubt it has been since his meeting with the Emperor. Probably more like since Istvaan.

[lovelessmerc]

wow! wait, the crimson lord and the betrayer fight? need more info stat.... plz!!

[Mob]

They flirt with each other. Just using axes and swords instead of wine and flowers.

I'd tell you what they say, but that kinda defeats the point of you checking it out yourself. Just picture a sparring scene between warriors who have that sickening combatative respect for each other thing, there's bazillions in fiction, only making it a bit more primal (coz it's World Eaters) and weird (coz Argel Tal sounds...odd).

[SunTzu]

Finally got hold of this today. Pure brilliance. Going full steam ahead with my Heresy World Eaters army. Angron just... rocks. And what ADB has done with Lorgar through TFH, Aurelian and now this, has made him into something I never would have believed he could be. Amazing. Just A. Maz. Ing.

[Scribe of Khorne]

Finally got hold of this today. Pure brilliance. Going full steam ahead with my Heresy World Eaters army. Angron just... rocks. And what ADB has done with Lorgar through TFH, Aurelian and now this, has made him into something I never would have believed he could be. Amazing. Just A. Maz. Ing.

Feel free to write up a complete spoiler filled review. Since those of us unlucky enough to be on the other side of the bloody ocean wont be getting this until JUNE at best I wouldnt mind getting some of the details now...

[Alan]

Finished reading/listening this one last night. Great book but for me highlight is way the voice-actors did Argel-Tal. There are although other great things in this one also but for me the voice was fantastic (other way around Angron was not so good in my opinion).
But I would really like to have all of these audio-books and dramas in paper format, call me old-fashioned but the feel...

[stormblade]

All in all an enjoyable audiobook, I can't seem to grow tired of seeing angron rage (I liked him since Galaxy in flames)
I do have a few problems with it:

1. Ursa's Claws sound like something that would be rather inefficent as space is really really big- but I guess this is a so-called rule-of-cool thing.
2. I think the Eldar were DE and they don't usually follow prophecies as they don't have seers nor any kind of psykers (it could be explained away by harlequin intervention though as we know that they visit Cammoraough)
3. No reference to Rebirth

These are all minor thinges and I would really recommend this Audio drama.

[Soul Hunter]

Great audio, and Argel Tal had one of the best voice acting i've ever heard in a CD.

"I don't care about honor! I care about the truth!"


SH

[DietDolphin]

After listening to the AD one thing stuck out that I would mind someone explaining...

Kharn being calm and level-headed. In Galaxy A Flame he was bonkers when Loken meet him on Istvaan. If he has the Butcher's Nails then and isn't getting any sleep then it seems odd he is still is calm cool self.

However I really like the description of that Female ship commander (Name has escaped me at the moment..). I was great to see how regular humans fit in with the brutal World Eater regime.

[stormblade]

After listening to the AD one thing stuck out that I would mind someone explaining...

Kharn being calm and level-headed. In Galaxy A Flame he was bonkers when Loken meet him on Istvaan. If he has the Butcher's Nails then and isn't getting any sleep then it seems odd he is still is calm cool self.

Well he was bonkers duiring the battle but level-headed on the ship, my explaination would be that he gives in to the nails during the fightning but tries to keep calm at all other times.

[Soul Hunter]

Question. Did anyone else feel that Khârn had a slightly Latino accent? His voice sounded that way to me, particularly when he called Captain Lotara by name.


SH

[DietDolphin]

Question. Did anyone else feel that Khârn had a slightly Latino accent? His voice sounded that way to me, particularly when he called Captain Lotara by name.

Yes he did, which I think was quite good. I can't really picture World Eaters all with proper British accents so I hope they run with this in the future, added a nice subtle unique aspect to Kharn/the World Eaters unintentionally in my opinion, but I'm sure others feel differently...

[ChrisMurray]

For those of us that haven't got this yet, it's just gone up for pre-order on the BL website.

[Scribe of Khorne]

What is its duration? Size of the MP3?