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    11th/2nd Legion Fan Fluff (Opinions Desired!)

    I've been working on some fan fluff for the missing legions and Chapters formed around it. Posting the general outline to gauge opinions on how well it fits in the story/background. Contains spoilers for any later stories I'll write. Names/events/etc taken mainly from Battletech, Game of thrones(a song of ice and fire), Tolkien, and 40k rumor/fluff/canon/etc~ sorry for bad grammar/spelling! Opinions Desired!


    Primarch Aemon of the 11th Legion (Death's Hand) learns of his Legion/Home Sector's corruption/civil war and requests aid/council from the Emperor. The 2nd and 6th Legions (Legio Ursi"Legion of the Bear"/Space Wolves) are sent in response to assist with a purge of the sector.

    Information gathered from initial battles between 11th loyalists/traitors reveals the extent of the Legion's corruption, and state of the sector in the aftermath of the civil war. The sector's planets have been Cleared/Purged of all life (by 11th Legion traitors during the CW) prior to the arrival of the Loyalist Legion's, only two worlds remain intact. Battle plans are formed; ground assaults upon both planets, followed by extensive bombardment.

    Leman Russ assaults the world held by 11th Legion traitors under the command of 1st Librarian(if librarian is the correct term at the time) now turned Sorcerer "Vichtus Forel". He locates Vichtus and retinue in-ritual, and unknowingly finishes the ritual by slaughtering the present cultists, bringing warp-storms down on the sector. A Duel between Russ and Vichtus ends with Russ nigh unscathed and Vichtus in pieces.

    Meanwhile Primarch Aemon leads a speartip of 11th legion loyalists against his Human Father/1st Captain Aemon Antonescu of the 11th Legion/retinue. Primarch Beor Mormont's "Old Bear" 2nd Legion in support, carries out the main purge of 11th legion traitors/auxilliary. A trap is sprung by Antonescu's retinue, killing nearly half of the remaining 11th legion loyalists, and subdues Primarch Aemon. Antonescu attempts to turn the Primarch willing (revealing the full extent of the warp's plans for the 11th and soon the 2nd Legion) instead of outright killing him/wounding him, and almost succeeds. Only failing when Primarch Mormont intervenes, duels Antonescu and saves Aemon from his fate.

    The Warp storms summoned by Vichtus/his retinue consume the sector before the bombardment could be carried out, and all remaining loyalists are summoned back to imperial space. Primarch Aemon renounces his lordship over the 11th and sends the (roughly) 500 remaining loyalists to the Emperor, to do with as he wills. (he (Aemon) being unfit to lead them from his perspective). Aemon then boards a rogue trader and departs after expressing his gratitude to Mormont for his timely rescue, and warning him "Look to your Sector Brother".

    the 11th Legion loyalists are merged into the 2nd, and the Legion/Primarch are officially stricken from Imperial Records along with the incident. The 2nd and 6th legions part ways, the 2nd returning to it's home sector. Meanwhile Aemon translates in-sector and plans an assault of one, chasing rumors of surviving 11th legion traitors in the 2nd legion's sector. Warp storms (mirroring the 11th legion's sector's storms) already threaten to consume the world and cut off the sector before the former Primarch makes planet-fall.

    Aemon carries out a purge of the facility during the small window of safety before the storm fully consumes the planet, receiving updates from the rogue trader stationed nearby monitoring the storm. He slaughters the remaining 11th traitors/HQ, but is caught in a second trap to ensnare him in the storm/bring him into the fold. He eventually escapes but not before the storm consumes the planet/cuts the sector off from the Imperium.

    The former Primarch appears aboard the Rogue Trader in the 2nd Legion's sector fleeing the storm, roughly a year later. He is alone aside from a few remaining servitors piloting the ship, having fought daemons/risen 11th legion traitors (to his dismay), emerging warp-scarred (somewhat like the Legion of the Damned but not Fatal/Life shortening due to Primarch physiology), but not corrupt (having found new strength/resolve after his last encounter).

    Prior to the storms that cut the sector off from the Imperium, Mormont receives orders for all Loyalists to abandon the sector, and leave it to it's fate. Mormont willing to follow the orders instead calls for a vote amongst his Legion to stay or leave. The results of which are unanimous, to stay and defend the sector. Mormont and his Advisors/high command then decide they're unwilling to fully betray the Emperor. They send a contingent of roughly 5k Astartes with auxiliary to Terra with a message from Mormont. This consisting mainly of Terran born Legionnaires lead by 1st Captain Edwin Focht, and all remaining 11th legion Loyalists.

    The Emperor decree's the 2nd Legion officially wiped from Imperial records for reasons separate than the 11th's erasel and folds the remaining loyalists into the Ultramarines until Post heresy. They form the nucleus of what will eventually become a minor Ordo (Ordo Fidelis) that mainly serves within ailing Chapters low in strength/the occasional overwatch of a suspicious chapter without overtly showing inquisition presence/concerns and causing undesired conflicts.

    The Ordo builds support for an eventual Crusade to retake/re-establish contact with the sector, and have made successful supply/intel missions to the 2nd's warp-lost sector. Almost boarding on tradition, most chapters the Ordo serves with found a support chapters permanently attached to the main Ordo Force. This force carries out overt inquisition missions in larger scale conflicts, and will form the main Crusade to retake the 2nd's sector. Some examples; Anointed Templar, Fangs of Russ, Legacy of the Primarchs, Epitaph of the Fallen, among others.

    After learning of events carried out by the 2nd legion in-sector prior/post to the mirror storms, Aemon swears to serve along side Mormont in payment for saving his soul. He takes on a new name "Mortuus Rex" and becomes Death's Hand. Now under a new title he fights in sworn silence alongside Mormont until the last 11th Legion traitor is perminantly banished to the warp.

    The 2nd Legion's sector becomes a safe haven for presumed warp-lost vessals, maintaining a permanent pyschic beacon, and constant vigil via the intact and ever growing Loyalist fleet in sector. Basicly a bastion or plausible explanation for anyone that could possible survive, has survived, or that I'd like to survive (primarchs,heroes,warp-lost vessals). Even a possible reasoning for the primarchs to vanish mysteriously into the warp in the first place(they travel to this sector). A major section of the Sector is altered by the storms, and the planets within suffer drastic climate changes, turning into Ice Worlds.

    Known enemies in the sector include the 11th legion traitors/daemon retinue, one of the largest Dark Eldar armies recorded outside of commorragh, dormant necron tomb worlds, traitors/daemons from the Eye, Eldar exodite raiding parties, and Feral orks growing in number after a space hulk passed through the sector. Ork survivors from Roks jettisoned by "Admrul" Hadrun da Kollida to colonize the system for later battles after he finds a good fight against an Ordo fleet that appeared in sector post heresy.

    Other characters include 2nd Legion turned Ordo 1st Chaplain Janus Ascar Adurant or Chaplain Snow, who along with Master Librarian Hadrian Vessaire proves vital in the success of Ordo resupply/intel missions to the warp-lost sector (the Chaplain being a pure conduit and anchor for the Master Librarian to pierce the storm). Morgan Clearwater of the 2nd legion, who stayed behind with his Primarch (one of his advisors, possibly a chaplain dunno if they really existed before the council of nikea or if this time period would fall before or after the council). Franklin Osis, another warp-lost member of the 2nd with no rank as of yet. James Isaac Moreau, General of the Rabid Foxes inquisitorial regiment that serves alongside Focht's main Ordo battle-force.

    Things I'm working out atm. How was the 11th initially corrupted, and by which god? Leaning towards Malal/Malice and the storms are his attempt to taint two legions and bring them into the fold. Names for the sectors and their locations. how early would the Necrons in system awaken? for instance, would some awaken during the storms or maybe they're triggered by an Ordo Fleet in sector on a mission (events usually flare up when the Ordo appears in sector).
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    Interesting stuff there. I think you've done afine job, but I would have the corruption be something other than chaos related because the primarch were unaware of the true nature of the warp (Magnus thought he could control it). Maybe some tech-heresy or alien influence? Sort of like if a primarch was raised in a society like that of the interex in Horus Rising.

    One thing to look to for guidance is that each primarch/legion seems to have a chaos/loyalist mirror image so these legions might match up with existing legions but in a darker or lighter way. Let me think... Iron Hand and Emperor's Children both strive for perfection, Alpha Legion and Ultramarines are strategic masters, Luna Wolves and Dark Angels are tactical masters, Blood Angels and World Eaters both suffer from a blood frenzy, Iron Warriors and Imperial Fists are both stubbon siege masters, Salamanders and Death Guard are both tough SOBs but Salamanders create while Death Guard let it rot, Raven Guard and Night Lords are both keen on sowing disarray and confusion, not sure about the rest, and a few I could see as being opposite others. So maybe one of the other legions is the opposite of Word Bearers and doesn't believe anything eg: E to Primarch: "I am your father! Take your rightful place at my side and unite the galaxy!" Primarch: "pfff yeah...sure I am" (rolls eyes). or they militantly support the imperial creed of science and disbelief in gods.

    A pariah primarch might make a good flipside to Magnus. Maybe his tragedy was getting captured by Necrons and made into the strongest pariah ever, so the Emperor/Russ had to mercy kill him. This assumes that necrons still make pariahs out of humans in the new fluff. Or, being a pariah, that would make him ideal for the purposes of Malal/Malice.

    Not sure what an evil version of the Khan would be like. Instead of a noble savage he would have to be some sort of violent, uncultured, cannibal, which sounds sort of like Angron, but Angron always seemed like he was just well...angry that the emperor refused to help him save his army of freed gladiators. He wasn't so much a savage as someone bound to his duty to conquer the galaxy and forced to take out his rage at the emperor on who ever crosses his path. I mean: if an Imortal Demi-God saved my life and refused to help save the people I've been to hell and back with, then I might have some issues (besides the neural implants) and start to take it out on people.

    And clearly the opposite of Russ is Primarch Hello Kitty.

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    *Spoilers Alert*

    I Initially had both Legions in one sector. The 2nd Legion containing the Pariah gene, and the 11th being nihilist/anarchists. The sector containing an unknown entry point to the eye, in a system of dormant tomb-worlds. Malal/Malice's storm cutting the sector off from the Imperium, and corrupting the 11th in an attempt to gain control of the gateway/entry to the Eye. Why would Malal/Malice need an entry point into the Eye though, his realm already inside the warp, was my thought. The 11th Legion Primarch was Initially corrupted and killed, though resurrected by Malal/Malice as per their agreement. The Night-watch of Game of Throne/A Song of Ice and Fire influenced me into Bear-cloaked Rough Barbarian looking Noble/Selfless Knights for the 2nd. Don't know if Pariah exist anymore codex-wise anymore. Where there Necrons awake during the Great Crusade?

    I separated the Legions into their own sectors and involved the Space Wolves after reading more books/back-story. Usually when another Primarch's knowledge conflicts with things, I go with "they didn't know." This doesn't always work of course, Magnus is a good example (though he had enough knowledge to send Lorgar to the Eye in search of a place where gods and man meet). The Legion's survivors folding into the Ultramarines poses a problem with Know No Fear now. You would think that the Ultramarines would be aware of possible Astartes corruption. The Legions are also mentioned as being separate tragedies. The removal of the Legions from official records was the cover up in my opinion, so no-one would know the true nature of the warp. How much each Primarch would know of the events varying. Smaller incidents are covered up to support the Imperial Truth as-well(the Luna Wolf Jubaal's corruption, Horus even mentioning it being covered up before).

    I'd love to involve the Necrons, or some other form of possible corruption. Already spinning an idea of Aemon saving Mormont from corruption and returning home to find his Legion's sector in a state of anarchy, leading to the events posted in the op. I like the idea of Aemon staying loyal, making him somewhat a Primarch version of Garro or Loken. The 2nd could be strong followers of the Imperial Truth, taking measures to help conceal the 11th legion's corruption by a pronounced "God" and the storms threatening their sector. Making them more similar to the Word bearers. The Sons of Malice are cannibalistic and fight in silence, two traits that I'd like to transfer into the 11th. Evil White Scars!

    Primarch Hello Kitty = Magnus?? :P

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    One thing to look to for guidance is that each primarch/legion seems to have a chaos/loyalist mirror image so these legions might match up with existing legions but in a darker or lighter way. Let me think... Iron Hand and Emperor's Children both strive for perfection, Alpha Legion and Ultramarines are strategic masters, Luna Wolves and Dark Angels are tactical masters, Blood Angels and World Eaters both suffer from a blood frenzy, Iron Warriors and Imperial Fists are both stubbon siege masters, Salamanders and Death Guard are both tough SOBs but Salamanders create while Death Guard let it rot, Raven Guard and Night Lords are both keen on sowing disarray and confusion, not sure about the rest, and a few I could see as being opposite others.
    Not to derail the thread, but here's how I see the Chaos / Loyalist dichotomies.

    Ultramarines -> Black Legion. Both are responsible for holding their respective sides together, and building the current setup.

    Imperial Fists -> Iron Warriors. Both are stubborn siege specialists with a noted rivalry.

    Space Wolves -> Thousand Sons. The classic warrior vs sorcerer dynamic, and noted rivals.

    Raven Guard -> Night Lords. Both use asymmetrical warfare.

    Salamanders -> Death Guard. As you said, both are resilient but in different ways (creation vs stagnation)

    Dark Angels -> Alpha Legion. Seeeeeeecrets.

    Iron Hands -> Word Bearers. Both seek an apotheosis as something more than flesh.

    Blood Angels -> Emperor's Children. Both seek perfection and suffer its consequences.

    White Scars -> World Eaters. Both are single-minded in their pursuits, literal and metaphorical.

    Sorry for derailing, I just find that subject interesting. I definitely agree that if you're fleshing out the missing Legions they should be complementary in some way.
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    well not many people know this, but in the book "let the galaxy burn" (a collection of short stories in the 40k universe) it mentions someone named Primarch Rubinek. not sure if it was a mistake by the author or what, but i thought i'd just throw this out there.

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    Its a mistake. Primarch Rubinek of the Iron Hearts IIRC. The author got the titles Primarch/Chapter Master mixed up.
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    Pariahs do exist as imperial assassins, that bit is stil the same, but it seems that the new 'cron codex got rid of specific mentions to the old style cyborg paraihs. I do, however, recall that cryptek special character being mentioned as messing around with live subjects and so forth, so its possible they still exist in some form (I like to think so). There may have been nercon awake, but it isn't the current large scale awakening, and would be a world or two stirring as a result of Imperial intrusion.

    So you had the entire second legion as havign the pariah gene? whic would, I assume, be due to the primarch derived geneseed. I'm not sure I'd take it that far because the pariah gene is supposed to be extremely rare, and I don't know if geneseed can make pariahs, but then again theres nothing saying it cant. Maybe it would work that the geneseed would nullify most psyker talent among the marines and maybe produce a few here and there that do express pariah or null characteristics. Sort of along the lines of some of the Sons of Horus resemble horus, but others do not.

    You can always find a way around the legion corruption that would cause issues with folding them into the Ultramarines. I should think that the legions were very spaced out and never really fought as a cohesive force. I can think of a few examples in the HH books where the Legion forces are basically on their own out in the galaxy and cut off from close communicationwith the rest of the legion. You could also have it that one of the primarchs and RG were close so the two legions fought together alot and at the time of the primarchs demise some of the legion was crussading with the UMs. It wouldn't be a strech to think that the marines would turn to thier primarchs favorite brother upon his death. This could also explain why RG never seems to have any real friends among his brothers: they're dead.

    Most primarchs were close with atleast one of thier brothers. Ferrus had Fulgrim. Horus had Sanguinus, and Alpharius/Omegon looked up to him the most. Magnus and Lorgar were sort of close. The night haunter was a loner and bat-**** crazy. Actually...I guess thats most of the real pairings. I think Peterabo was sort of a loner, and so was Angron, but both of them felt, atleast somewhat, more valued by Horus than any of the others. Corax was also a loner (I think). Dorn seems like he's too rigid to have a rela friend. Not sure about Vulkan or the Khan, or any of the rest for that matter. If anyone cna help with that it might help, because if you could figure out who these guys were probably close with then you might get an idea for the personality of the legion. Actually that scene where Magnus and Lorgar are talking and Lorgar brings these guys up makes it seem like he was fond of atleast one of them, whereas Magnus doesn't want ot talke about it and reminds Lorgar of his oath. You could use that to justify one being a pariah or null and Magnus thinking "good riddance."

    @Theocracity: I don't agree 100% with your matching but I can see them working. I just really think the Iron Hands would be opposite the Emperor's Children due to a similar desire to achieve perfection, but opposite routes to it. I've also tossed around the idea that Lorgar and RG are opposites because both are noted for building highly sucessful societies in the wake of thier conquest, but Lorgar's worlds are based around faith, but RG's are based on reason.

    I meant that the opposite of a big angry feral wolf like primarch would be a small happy tame cat. And for somereason this is inspiring the notion that one legion should be the Thunder Cougars and the other Falconbird. I'm also trying to mentally merge Magnus and Hello Kitty...its not working out so well and the results are...disturbing.

    Zoidac signs might also work for naming the legions and deriving primarch characteristics because supposedly (ala Horus Rising?) each primarch was similar to a zodiac sign, but Horus does mention there being more than the twelve I am aware of (dont have the book at hand). Horus as Saggitarus, and I would figure Alpharius/Omegon are Gemini.

    I always sort of like the idea of the Talerian Dog Soldiers (space lizards and all that) and the Imperium did almost entirely exterminate them. It's probably not related as I would assume hundreds of xenos species were destroyed or scattered to the galactic winds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hadrun View Post
    Names/events/etc taken mainly from Battletech, Game of thrones(a song of ice and fire), Tolkien, and 40k rumor/fluff/canon/etc~ sorry for bad grammar/spelling! Opinions Desired!
    Well, sorry if this bites your bum a little.......
    I think writing background (I hate the term "fluff") for the lost legions is ill advised at best. You've admitted you're pilfering names and events from several sources other than your own imagination. So you're really saying "Here are several things I really like, and I want them all together. Not only that, I'm going to steal elements from them wholecloth!"
    It is your game, and you can do what you like with it. But in my opinion you'll never come up with something satisfying and good if you go about writing background in this way. You should also consider that the 2nd and 11th legions are only hinted at by the background. Solid facts are kept obscure. If you reveal the whole picture, you spoil the mystery of the lost legions.

    My advice is to keep away from this can of worms, and have a go at something else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Necanthrope View Post
    Well, sorry if this bites your bum a little.......
    I think writing background (I hate the term "fluff") for the lost legions is ill advised at best. You've admitted you're pilfering names and events from several sources other than your own imagination. So you're really saying "Here are several things I really like, and I want them all together. Not only that, I'm going to steal elements from them wholecloth!"
    It is your game, and you can do what you like with it. But in my opinion you'll never come up with something satisfying and good if you go about writing background in this way. You should also consider that the 2nd and 11th legions are only hinted at by the background. Solid facts are kept obscure. If you reveal the whole picture, you spoil the mystery of the lost legions.

    My advice is to keep away from this can of worms, and have a go at something else.
    You mention that the Lost Legions are better when kept mysterious. That sparked an idea of how you could build an army based off of them, without losing that mystery.

    When the Imperium purged the history of the Lost Legions, they were extremely thorough to make sure that nothing remained. But they didn't get every last record. Hidden in a pile of moldering books, behind a collapsed wall in an abandoned sub-basement of a library long burned to the ground, lays a record of the military glories of a Lost legion. It's damaged by age and is one of a series, so the details and context are obscure - names appear without explanation, facets of the Legion and their enemies are poorly described, and sometimes end abruptly. But it's still a record - and the battles described within are the background for your army .

    I might use that idea myself, in fact.
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    "Well, sorry if this bites your bum a little......."
    your post's obvious intent

    "pilfering names and events from several sources other than your own imagination"
    Basically how the entire 40k universe was formed. I'm not copy/pasting content. I'm perfectly fine with taking bits and pieces of other sources that I like (why would I use something that I didn't?) and using it in a new context. And to think I posted that comment about using outside sources to avoid the *snarf* "you used outside sources" comments

    "You should also consider that the 2nd and 11th legions are only hinted at by the background."
    Their stated purpose for doing so, room for others to create their own back-story.

    "It is your game, and you can do what you like with it."
    At-least we agree on something!

    I'll continue to write on my own. I do also agree that directly using ideas from others without any alteration won't help me build something satisfying. "Good" has been achieved already! Thanks for the opinions~

    So does it fit in the background? Are there any accounts of Necrons awake during the Great Crusade? Did Chaplains exist before the council of Nikaea?
    Last edited by Hadrun; 26-03-2012 at 19:26.

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