ORB: Field of Vision

[Whitesilk]

The next question:
Does a model have a 360* field of vision? I know that the firing arc is 90* forward.

Can a model that has just moved end their move in a pivot to put a more threatening target in their field of vision or include that threat inside their 90* arc? Or is the move a linear facet that makes the model face in the headed direction? I can't seem to find any where in the ORB/LRB that states one way or the other. It just states the firing arc and who is seen in that arc.

So, again, does a model have a 360* field of vision? or is it linear and can't end their move in any directional facing?

-Silk

yep, just ran a few practice games and trying to dig up some answers. Thank in advance y'all.

[Deffgob]

Anthony Cases' community edition is basically the PDF from games workshop, where rules like these are made cleartext! it states that the model can pivot in any direction after a move. the pivot does not count as moving in itself, regarding firering heavy weapons (a heavy can pivot in its move turn, and still fire his weapon!)

page 10 in the community pdf

[Whitesilk]

In the ORB/LRB all I can find is that charging has to be done within the models LOS. The only thing that states whats visible (LOS) is via the firing arc. That still doesn't answer if the model can pivot/spin/swivel at anytime before/during/after a move/charge.

The only place I found an answer to spinning in the FAQ in regards to a question about a model being in overwatch and able to spin to a new facing. Basically the answer was "yes," that a spin is not a action and does not constitute as a movement.

Now, does that answer blanket all of Necro., or does it only affect overwatch????

[Malo]

That is a very good question and can get complicated. The NCE defines the charge rule better and allows charging an opponent even if not in LOS (as long as you're aware of them). For the LRB then the target must be within firing arc and LOS at the start of their move since charging is done before anything else. Even in the NCE under movement, the pivot is mentioned as being done at the end of the move.

[Demoulius]

So you have to have your opponent in your arc of vision... Do you have to see him as well or can you charge enemies hiding behind walls?

[Whitesilk]

So you have to have your opponent in your arc of vision... Do you have to see him as well or can you charge enemies hiding behind walls?

Of course not. You still have to follow the rules for Hidden models, and regardless if they are technically Hidden or out of LOS due to a wall then you have to follow the rule on how to detect them...

"That is a very good question and can get complicated. The NCE defines the charge rule better and allows charging an opponent even if not in LOS (as long as you're aware of them). For the LRB then the target must be within firing arc and LOS at the start of their move since charging is done before anything else. Even in the NCE under movement, the pivot is mentioned as being done at the end of the move."

To be aware of the opponent I take it they have to be within the auto-detect radius (the Initiative value in inches)?

I use to play in a group that defined "not a action and does not constitute as movement" to mean that the models basically could pivot on spot and have a 360* awareness. So, if the model had someone in charge range "behind" them; they could freely pivot and then declare the charge. Likewise a model could run/move normally and pivot at the end to fix the Fire Arc on a threat. I was seriously hoping for a FAQ/Rule that I was missing. In the NCE example if the model was aware of the enemy the Charger would run backwards, make contact, THEN pivot to a face the opponent (kinda funny to see that actually move that way).

I think I'm going to bring this up with the new group I'm starting in. I vouch for the free pivot. To me it makes more sense. I can understand the Fire Arc/LoS for shooting, but not for the lack of 360* for Charging. If they had bonuses/penalties for attacking/defending to the rear/side/above/below then I can live with the linear facet of this aspect of the game, but without it I don't feel it fits. Also getting in a fire-fight everyone's head is on a swivel, no surprises...

[Demoulius]

We actually follow the free pivot as well. Playing 40k and all it makes sense to us

On the matter of the hidden enemy. In our first game (so we already had a fairly bad understanding of the rules) we had a situation where a heavy with a flamer was hiding behind a wall. My model was behind the other end of the wall (about a quarter of an inch away from his so he was aware of him) and we played it out that since I knew he was there could charge him. I ran around the corner of the wall and got into contact with him and well...what happend isent important here (mostly because my juve got his **** kicked )

Was the move itself illegal or illegal-ish? Im not fully aware of how the hidden rule works (and the model wasent hiding actually, he was merily dousing my gang leader in flames )

[necrobot]

To me it sounds legal because the flamer was within range of the juve's initiation, but that's just my interpretation...

[Whitesilk]

On the matter of the hidden enemy. In our first game (so we already had a fairly bad understanding of the rules) we had a situation where a heavy with a flamer was hiding behind a wall. My model was behind the other end of the wall (about a quarter of an inch away from his so he was aware of him) and we played it out that since I knew he was there could charge him. I ran around the corner of the wall and got into contact with him and well...what happend isent important here (mostly because my juve got his **** kicked )

Was the move itself illegal or illegal-ish? Im not fully aware of how the hidden rule works (and the model wasent hiding actually, he was merily dousing my gang leader in flames )

its perfectly legal...with a few considerations and remember, Hiding is a very specific action and with its own rules. If the model is actually shooting from behind cover then, depending on where your model is, that enemy model is only out of LOS.. Are you using the LRB/ORB or the NCE rules?

If you're using the ORB then: ""A model can leap over a barrier less than 1" high and no more than 1" wide without impeding its movement at all. A barrier between 1" and 2" high, and no more than 1" wide, can still be crossed by climbing over but you must give up half of your total move that turn to do so."" You also were within the range of auto-detect (your initiative value in inches). So you could run around the your end of the wall and engage or go over the wall and engage.

In the NCE rules:: ""You can declare a charge against any enemy model that is not in hiding, even enemy models that the charger cannot see at the start of his move.""

-Silk