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    Legio XIX in the Great Crusade

    Introduction:

    Hello all! Welcome to this, the first post in my attempt to chronicle what is, without doubt, the costliest and most time-consuming project I have ever devised (yes, including all my mad Guard armies): a Great Crusade period Raven Guard army, using almost entirely Forgeworld models.

    I am building it for a campaign run by a chap henceforth known by his character, the Primarch Rogal Dorn. We - the participants - take the role of either a Legion Primarch, or a Captain, and fight with our army through the Great Crusade, into the Heresy, and to the Siege of the Emperor's Palace and thus into the Scourging. It will grow and develop as we win points in our battles against recidivist humans and xeno scum, forging into the wastes of the Galaxy with the guiding light of the Imperial Truth, better preparing us for the betrayal and civil war to come.

    By its very nature, this is going to be a slowly built army, so I will be spending a LOT of time on each individual model, painting and modelling them to the very best of my abilities. Not Golden Demon, or even Apologist standard, but hopefully at least to a jolly good standard!

    Initial Army Lists:

    We have to create two 1,000 point lists - one for actions planetside, and one for boarding space stations and the like. They are, of course, going to be different beasts, but I wanted to retain the majority of my main force (the Strike Force) for both economic and modelling reasons.

    The theme of my Strike Force is that of a mechanised schwerpunkt of Astartes and Therion Cohort forces, used by Corax to drive into weak points of enemy lines, battering them aside and destroying their coherency as a fighting force. So - no jump packs (not yet deployed to the Crusade forces) and no bikes. Yet, anyway.

    Conversely, the Boarding Force is by necessity without their vehicles or Therion allies (humans are weak and squishy in void fighting), but bolstered by a Dreadnought and a squad of assault Marines in Mk III armour with flamers and other nasty corridor-fighting gear.

    Thus, the two lists, together for convenience sake, look like this:

    Captain Agapito (7th Company, 5th Chapter, Raven Guard) with his Lieutenant*, Apothecary, and three Marines in a RH1N0-C All wearing Mk IV armour

    Bran the Brave: Dreadnought with multi-melta, power fist and heavy flamer

    Tactical Squad 1: 10 Marines in a RH1N0-T All wearing Mk II armour

    Tactical Squad 2: 10 Marines in a RH1N0-T All wearing Mk II armour

    Tactical Squad 3: 10 Marines in a RH1N0-T All wearing Mk II armour

    Assault Squad: 10 Marines (in a RH1N0-T when deployed planetside) All wearing Mk III armour

    Two Therion Cohort Predator Destructors

    In terms of models, the Dreadnought will be a modified metal (!) Furioso with a FW MM arm, the Captain will be kitbashed from various spare parts and Mk IV armour bits, the Command Squad will be plasma-gun heavy (3 in one squad!) with various bits from the SM Command Squad set. The Tacticals will be FW Mk II figures with Umbra and Umbra Ferox bolters, the Assault Marines Mk III with bolt pistols and combat weapons from a variety of sources (most likely the Chaos Marine box). All the vehicles will be the Deimos pattern ones, although I am tempted by the Mk 1 Rhino Conversion Template as it's both easy and cheap. The Predators will have Imperial Army crews, because I want to get across the much closer bond between the Imperial Army and the Legions as opposed to the Guard and the Marine Chapters.

    * Yes, Lieutenant - though he's a Sergeant in the rules - all will be explained below!

    Painting:

    I am going to be building on the following image as a base for what the force will look like:

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    Although it claims to be an image of a Pre-Heresy Raven Guard Marine, the armour (a mix of Mk IV and VI) and use of 'Chapter Insignia' gives the game away: this Marine is from the post-Heresy Codex Astartes era. However, it does give me a good idea of how to paint squad type designations. Combined with Apologist's wonderful Praetors of Calth log (see below for link) and his concept of each Marine as a knightly hero, this means that each of my Raven Guard will have a right shoulder pad painted with their tactical/assault designation. Over this will be the Legion insignia of the Raven, and in the centre of the Raven a squad number. On the left pad, each Marine will have his own heraldry.

    I will also be utilising the Rogue Trader Space Marine rank markings for sergeants, lieutenants, and so on and so forth. I will post pictures of these a little later. Suffice it to say that helmets, arms, and shoulder pads will all be involved.

    As for the Therion Cohort's tanks, they will be painted much like modern Russian armoured vehicles. There's something remarkably Soviet about the Deimos-pattern Predators - probably it's the dome turret. It helps that the crew figures I plan on using - the Perry's classic metal commanders - are both wearing the Soviet tanker's helmet!

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    Re: Legio XIX in the Great Crusade

    sounds fantastically exciting fella, a promising introduction indeed. looking forward to seeing your progress.
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    Re: Legio XIX in the Great Crusade

    Looking forward to seeing your take on Corax's boys.

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    Re: Legio XIX in the Great Crusade

    Indeed, so am I My love for the Great Crusade/Horus Heresy era and my army selection in years past (Salamanders in 3rd and Raven Guard in 4th edition) mean I'm pretty eager to see what you come up with.

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    Re: Legio XIX in the Great Crusade

    Look forward to seeing this, the ravens were my other choice besides smurfs but i cant paint black.

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    Re: Legio XIX in the Great Crusade

    Sounds great! Regarding the heraldry, do you have a theme picked out? Since the FW armour is much cleaner and less Gothic than the modern interpretation of the Astartes, you might consider reintroducing some Gothic hints for the Raven Guard. It'd be a neat way to hint at the Allen Poe feel and also riff off the features on the Horus Heresy novel covers – those Mediaeval-style shoulder pads are a lovely feature of Neil Roberts' evocative artwork.

    http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_wbBXVjVA4q...s400/HH_HR.jpg

    A useful starting point for some typical features of English Gothic. This concentrates on the architectural aspects, but lots of it (asymmetry, foliage, fittings) might provide some good starting points.
    http://www.victorianweb.org/art/arch...decorated.html

    Here're some Google results for Mediaeval artwork, which might help with some ideas for heraldry.
    http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en...w=1052&bih=538

    Regarding heraldry, I found that the best way to get striking effects was stick to six muted colours (I used Dheneb Stone, Charadon Granite, Mordian Blue, Orkhide Shade, Red Gore and uh... the yellow foundation paint); but for the Raven Guard, you might consider monochrome designs. It'd be very striking, and ensure that accent colours used elsewhere (eyes etc.) aren't overshadowed.

    ...and on a more general note, a very quick and effective way to paint dimensional (i.e. not flat) black is to paint everything Charadon Granite, then wash it with a mix of the red, blue and green washes. Using a mix of primary washes gives a very dark shade, but has enough chroma in it to appear interesting.

    Best of luck – I look forward to seeing the first ones!
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    Re: Legio XIX in the Great Crusade

    Right! Tonight I picked up the first few elements. Nothing particularly exciting, but...

    One bag of five Marines in Crusade Armour, with another bag of heavy and special weapons (two rocket launchers, two meltas and two flamers).
    One metal Mk V Dreadnought to be re fitted with a multi-melta arm and heavy flamer, as well as having some other minor work done to make it less like a Furioso and more like a fearsome death-dealing close-assault monster for ship-ship boarding actions.
    One Mk 2 RH1-N0 APC which will be given the Damocles Command Vehicle upgrade kit (when I get it) and which will be Captain Agapito's mount.

    The Marines will be built as two multi-melta troopers, two meltagunners, and a flamer operator. The multi-meltas are getting picked up later this week courtesy of my friendly local GW manager's bitz box.

    I'm quite excited about this project, even though it will probably take a really long time to complete! Having finished Deliverance Lost, the book's not got much for pre-Heresy/Great Crusade gamers - but luckily as this campaign will stretch through the Heresy, I plan on building a small unit of Raptors in Mk VI armour and also a squad or two in a mix of Mk II-V armour parts. The post-Dropsite Massacre force will be mostly devoid of vehicles. But that's for the future.

    For now... it begins!

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    Re: Legio XIX in the Great Crusade

    looking good, I'll be following closely. I like the Thorians crewing your tanks, I may have to borrow that idea for my scouring era wolves, I hope you don't mind.

    Have you seen the FW MkIV assault marines from the FW open day, they may come in useful later on for your drop site army, they have a nice mix of parts with a few variant helmets and cuirasses
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    Nice one General! Where can I find Pre-Heresy markings?
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    Re: Legio XIX in the Great Crusade

    Just linked across to this; I'm deeply humbled that you consider my own blog 'inspiring'. Have you made any progress since you last posted, Steiner?

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    Re: Legio XIX in the Great Crusade

    Quote Originally Posted by Morden279 View Post
    Just linked across to this; I'm deeply humbled that you consider my own blog 'inspiring'. Have you made any progress since you last posted, Steiner?
    Just checked out your work, great work good sir!

    If this is anything like Morden's work this will be one heck of a project log General, now get posting pictures!

    By the way are you in "TemplarCrusade01"`s campaign. (the guy of youtube) Because the description of your campaign sounds awfully similar to his.
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