2k comp GK can you write a list to beat it

[Luke666]

40K Army: Daemonhunters

Hi Guys got myself 5 dreds recently so thought i would give a grey knight list ago so heres what i got.

HQ
Coteaz 100pts

Librarian, might of titan and warp rift, sevro skull 165

Elites
Ven psy dred 195

Ven psy dred 195

Vindicare 145

Troops
7 death cults, 3 melta boys, chimera 202

7 death cults, 3 melta boys, chimera 202

3 melta boys, chimera 97

3 melta boys, chimera, search light 98

3 melta boys, chimera, search light 98

3 melta boys, chimera, search light 98

Heavy
Psy dred 135

Psy dred 135

Psy dred 135

Total 2000

Kill points 20
5 dreds
6 av12 tanks
6 scoring units
20 twinlinked st8 shots
24 st6 shots
18 st5 shots (or 6 hevy flamers)
18 melta shots (or 18-36 plasma shots)
2 hand to hand death units

So im thinking this is the way to go for my army. Corteas goes with 1 squad of death cults, liby with the other. 2 things im unsure on is weather to go heavy bolters of flamers on the chimeras im leaning towards heavy bolters at the mo for lots more ranged shots when stationary. Then theres the choice between meltas and plasmas on the boys but again leaning towards meltas.

Ive gone with chimeras as i think they are superior to psybacks (well i will preper to be gunned down here lol). The pros for the chimeras are cheaper av12 at the front higher volume of shots and most important for me troops can fire out. Pros for psyback high str shots more reliable hitting and fortitude. So good points for both but i have plenty of anti tank and the chimeras provide better anti inf, plus i save 240 points so theres the main reason

so what do you guys think carnt think of many lists out there that can out gun this and the death cultists are just pure win for asults.

[sethorly]

I've found the side access points of the rhinos and razorbacks invaluable in increasing the assault range of the DCA within. The chimera only has rear access and this will be facing away from the enemy to keep up the AV12 front. So perhaps consider swopping the DCA rides from chimeras to rhino/razors. YMMV.

[ThatGuy]

He is able to assault from the chimera after it moves though, which is what you would want with the DCA.

[Grit]

How can the DCA assault from the chimera after it moves,its not an assault vechical as far as i know.

[sethorly]

Yeh chimera/rhino/razor are not assault, so you can only assault from those transports if they don't move. To be honest, a wily opponent can stay 14" away from a rhino/razor side hatch as easily as staying away from a chimera rear hatch, but at least the threat range is greater for tactical purposes.

edit/ pfff :S

[Yaro]

Putting the DCA in psybacks eliminates his ability to transports his HQ with them.

List is fine as is, should do well. The vindicare is the only hit or miss part.

[Luke666]

I find the vindicare quiet usefull as the problem solver, you got a unit of nobs no probs shoot the pain boy, lone missile man in a sniper squad, fist/klaw bye bye, necron lord with mind shakles or res orb.
He is the only long range av14 anti tank i have. Yes some games he does nothing ill give you that but other games he can more then turn the tide of the game all buy him self.
I think the point his he can be a broblem for people and they dont like it it puts them on edge i could have anoter ven dred but think 5 psy dreds are anough as it is plus i would have to free up 50points and the rest of the list is pretty tight.

Thanks for your comments guys keep them coming would be nice to see some lists to go against this one.

[ThatGuy]

Ah yeah, sorry, thought it was open topped.

[madival]

As a comp list, you can't really tailor to threats. Grey hunter long fang spam beats you because those 20 s8 shots kill 3-4 marines a turn. Storm lord scarab farm would wreck you as the only scary thing for them are dc assasins. Drago wing beats you through attrition, Ba razor spam takes out your dreads and then runs around. You will primarily lose through all of your troops dieing. The list is far from unbeatable. You lose to foot marines. They kill those two scary chimera and there is no threat to press the attack. Your fire power isn't even that impressive at 2k points. Also, you just lose kp games unless you play dark eldar. Imperial guard have more kp, but probably will out gun you.

The biggest weakness of this list a subtle one. Your vehicles have half a chance to explode when destroyed since its probably a pen of 5 or 6 which kills your vehicles and since your scoring units are t3, you will lose a fair amount. Troops will break and not claim objectives. You have 32 t3 scoring infantry at 2k points. S4 explosion hurts. Also, since they all have melta guns, you are probably driving into melta range. Ap1 goes from half a chance of exploding to 2/3rds. On top of the damage, an exploded vehicle causes pinning and probably a moral check. Bolters/any flamer then finish off 4 of your troop options if they are still there. 2/3 of the games are objective based. The one that isn't is your worst game type.

I say explosions rock you because I watch DE suffer this fate alot. You don't get that +1 to the damage table, but you also get s4 hit instead of s3 and your troops will probably stay running once they start.

The changes are simple. For me, I would drop the melta guns from the small squads and swap the chimera to psybacks. You don't have the melta, but you won't need it.

[burning crome]

it look to me like you spending to may points on melta's. Whist most advice for other army states that you should max out on them i really can see you being able using half of these.