Autumn of Fliers

[MagicHat]

There might be interception rules, but if I need my own interceptor to have any real chance of countering enemy planes and they will otherwise wreck complete havoc on my own forces then I think the rules have failed completely. There is no other unit type in 40k where I need my own version to be able to effectively combat it. If fliers turn out to be such a unit type it's a huge step back and will prove to be quite destabilising.

Yes, that would be terrible and stupid and the reason GW would probably not have only interceptors capable of engaging fliers.

Since you missed it in my first post: You really think that if GW released fliers, they would not release rules to fight fliers?
Just off the top of my head, from C: SM, Razorbacks can aim straight up with their turrets, hunter-killer missiles and Dreads could be AA as well.
It would require rewritten armylists, but 6th edition are pretty certain to change the army lists anyway.

[Stickmonkey]

I only used the phrase "Autumn of fliers" as I was aware of the whole 'summer of flyers' train wreck last year.

I'm just going to bite my tongue until it comes out, then wait patiently for all the apologies for the hate I got... Riiiight!

I reported what I heard. Getting the dates right is a huge challenge sometimes, and so I am sitting on my rumor bag a lot longer now a days.

I do like the Eldar flyer. A lot. And my Samm Hain army will get many. . . . Some day...

I also really like the Chaos flyer design. Was expecting something like the hell blade, and I am suitably impressed with the design.

BTW, anyone fancy a plastic Chaos drop pod?


I know nothing...

Cheers

[Vhalyar]

BTW, anyone fancy a plastic Chaos drop pod? s

I would claw my way through the annoying redshirts to buy a bunch.

[75hastings69]

'Tis the other 40K expert.

LOL!!

You do know the definition of "expert" by the way don't you? if not..........

..... "X" is an unknown quantity, and "spurt" is just a drip under pressure!!!!! (you obviosuly have to say it out loud for full effect!)

[Sildani]

Well, SM, they say a prophet is often without honor in his own land... I apologize for that.

As for the Eldar flyer, might you be able to answer (since it sounds like you've seen it) whether it looks like the FW fliers, or if they've chosen a new design direction?

[Stickmonkey]

As for the Eldar flyer, might you be able to answer (since it sounds like you've seen it) whether it looks like the FW fliers, or if they've chosen a new design direction?

its a new design. It meshes with existing eldar design. More so once all the other designs are added...

[Zothos]

Harry, Hastings and Stickmonkey all in the same thread?

**squee**

Must be a special occasion!

[Vhalyar]

I also really like the Chaos flyer design. Was expecting something like the hell blade, and I am suitably impressed with the design.

Since you're giving hints as to how things look... any precisions you would care to give about this one? The 'locust' if some other rumors are accurate. You were expecting a hell blade and instead you saw...

[Stickmonkey]

Since you're giving hints as to how things look... any precisions you would care to give about this one? The 'locust' if some other rumors are accurate. You were expecting a hell blade and instead you saw...

Yeah, Why not? What could happen. It's pretty cool. Basically its's +++++MESSAGE INTERCEPTED BY IMPERIAL ORDER. INQUISITOR DISPATCHED.+++++

[Ozendorph]

man that is just cold blooded

[silverstu]

Cheers to Harry, Hastings and Stickmonkey for the rumours- sounds exciting!

its a new design. It meshes with existing eldar design. More so once all the other designs are added...

Sounds like eldar will have a few toys coming.. doesn't bode well for my wallet! Thanks for the hints!

[Starchild]

its a new design. It meshes with existing eldar design. More so once all the other designs are added...

All the other designs?

Well Jes' new jetbikes are certainly one of those designs. Other than perhaps new recut crew the Vyper is quite solid and is supposed to look similar to the Venom anyway. I don't see the War Walker, the Wraithlord, the Falcon or the Wave Serpent changing. Now I have something new to obsess over...

Well this is the best rumour tidbit I've read all year (other than DA being in the newbie box.)

[Gorbad Ironclaw]

Since you missed it in my first post: You really think that if GW released fliers, they would not release rules to fight fliers?

Of course there will be some rules for killing them, however I'll withhold judgement until we see how it actually works out. It could be perfectly fine, it really depends on just how different the flyer rules turn out to be, and how specialised equipment you need. We shall see, hopefully there won't be a problem.

[Spell_of_Destruction]

He did. But he didn't point out what a crazy huge difference between AV10 and AV12 is. Flyers are nice, but AV10 is just... crap. Especially when you compare the DE-Flyers to a StormRaven or Vendetta.

Well, I think it's ridiculous that gunships like the Vendetta and Storm Raven are functionally nearly identical to Grav Tanks and in particular fighter aircraft. Imagine a modern warfare game in which an Apache is represented by the same rules as an F-16. Ridiculous, no?

Hopefully 6th ed will sort this. I would divide these units into three broad categories - Grav Tanks, Gunships and Aircraft.

I actually really like the Apocalypse rules for flyers and hope to see something similar in 6th ed. The difficulty is then how to differentiate gunships and grav tanks in 40k abstract style. The 'Tank' rule is currently the only think separating the two.

The issue is that anti grav technology is supposed to be highly advanced (although getting the storm raven into the air is surely a technological marvel in itself) so much so that the Imperium has lost what limited knowledge it had in this area. It just doesn't seem right that the late 20th century technology of the IG gunships should function in exactly the same manner as anti grav technology. Sorry if this comes across as an Eldar whine.

[theDarkGeneral]

In a month or two, White Dwarf will shed more light upon the dawn of flyers. Currently Apoc counts pintle mounted weapons as AA. Look to many Apoc rules being converted over to 6th edition.

[Kaldanesh]

In a month or two, White Dwarf will shed more light upon the dawn of flyers. Currently Apoc counts pintle mounted weapons as AA. Look to many Apoc rules being converted over to 6th edition.

Cheers theDarkGeneral, you just keep baiting us with more and more juicy morsels. Cheers to Stickmonkey, Harry and Hastings as well. Thanks for keeping the hobby hype rolling. Now what's all this talk about a chaos drop pod? Will we get a proper dreadclaw or some other chaos flyer? and what the heck is a locust?

[Stickmonkey]

I'll say it this way, basically Eldar have a a rhino. It can be a predator, a razorback, or a vindicator, but it's still a rhino. Don't you think it would be nice if they had a landraider? Not saying they are getting anything here, mind you, but at some point to expand you need more than one chassis...

[Beppo1234]

Thanks Harry!

From what you've gathered it looks like someone took a Blood Angel Stormraven, kicked all the Blood Angel specific crap (Bloodstrike missiles and Skies of Blood) out of it, replaced the Dreadnought carrying capacity with 8 more infantry carrying slots and hey presto, its a brand new flier...

I wouldn't be surprised to see it in the next Space Marine codex.

sounds like the Chapterhouse conversion kit. What I think would be cool, and want, is for a Rhino carrying version of a stormraven.

[Fable]

I'm just going to bite my tongue until it comes out, then wait patiently for all the apologies for the hate I got... Riiiight!

I reported what I heard. Getting the dates right is a huge challenge sometimes, and so I am sitting on my rumor bag a lot longer now a days.

I do like the Eldar flyer. A lot. And my Samm Hain army will get many. . . . Some day...

I also really like the Chaos flyer design. Was expecting something like the hell blade, and I am suitably impressed with the design.

BTW, anyone fancy a plastic Chaos drop pod?


I know nothing...

Cheers

If I were you I wouldn't hold my breath. In my experience you've been right more than wrong, and usually it's just the timescale where most of your inaccuracy lies. You pegged not only the tyranid wave but also the community reaction to the Tervigon/Tyrannofex. I didn't see anyone apologize to you after you hit that nail right on the head.

its a new design. It meshes with existing eldar design. More so once all the other designs are added...

This makes me happy as it means the Nightwing and Phoenix conversions I did from a Razorwing won't be usurped by sexier replacements.

I'll say it this way, basically Eldar have a a rhino. It can be a predator, a razorback, or a vindicator, but it's still a rhino. Don't you think it would be nice if they had a landraider? Not saying they are getting anything here, mind you, but at some point to expand you need more than one chassis...

Ok, this got me curious what could come along and be added. Outside of flyers I'm at a loss to think of something that could really fill any void, but without knowing 6th edition it probably makes the whole guessing game moot. It would be welcome to have some new projects to dive into.

[EpicWarGamer]

In a month or two, White Dwarf will shed more light upon the dawn of flyers. Currently Apoc counts pintle mounted weapons as AA. Look to many Apoc rules being converted over to 6th edition.

This would be cool however most weapons are STR 4, and it seems that GW is afraid to make rear armor values of 5-9, so you might get lucky with a rear armor glance and that's about it...