Autumn of Fliers

[Eldoriath]

20 meters for combat with a pistol ain't unreasonabe, it's all the other weapons that become unreasonable instead more or less.

But that doesn't matter. New flyer models and rules alongside 6th edition though does matter ^^

[Starchild]

Not really rumour related but flyers, are COMPLETELY inappropriate for the squirmish game 40K represents. This is a dead end game wise, although I'm not against the models. I can kind of get behind things that hover, dropping off troops, or a support gunship, but supersonic aircraft staying within the limits of an 8"x4" table, is just dumb.

I thought in Apocalypse the flyers moved on and off the table to represent strafing and/or bombing runs, with a chance they may not show up at all? Sounds fair for normal 40k games to me!

[Faeslayer]

This is a game where an appropriate response to "sir, a few dozen idiots in pickup trucks are approaching!" is "bring out the irreplaceable thousand-year-old cyborg killing machine!" If throwing an airplane into a battle like that is what breaks the game for you, I don't know what to tell ya.

Personally, I can't wait. I think it fits right in.

[Theocracity]

This is a game where an appropriate response to "sir, a few dozen idiots in pickup trucks are approaching!" is "bring out the irreplaceable thousand-year-old cyborg killing machine!" If throwing an airplane into a battle like that is what breaks the game for you, I don't know what to tell ya.

Personally, I can't wait. I think it fits right in.

Ha!

I agree, aircraft done Apoc style would be cool.

[Hendarion]

I thought in Apocalypse the flyers moved on and off the table to represent strafing and/or bombing runs, with a chance they may not show up at all? Sounds fair for normal 40k games to me!

That's how they worked in old Forge World rules before Apocalypse. Since Apocalypse they stay on the table and move normally, but at least 36" (Eldar at least 18").

[Sureshot05]

I look forward to a our flying friends soon enough.

I think it's good that they are finally arriving on the tables. I've always thought it more unrealistic that 40K doesn't have air support (given everything else on the table). I also look forward to the models that come with it and the differences it will make to everyone's armies.

[Maxis Lithium]

OI! Dat's a few dozen GREEN louts in pickup trucks! Wiff wreck'en ballz 'en 'Uge klaws on 'der 'ands. We's a li'll mo threat'anen den a bunch a weedy humies!

I'm sure flyers will be as balanced as psykers or any other toy in the game. If you don't have any anti-psi defense then JOTWW or Lash feel very mean. If you have it, then you're wondering what all the fuss is about.

[Erazmus_M_Wattle]

I'm looking forward to more flyers in the game. Or oval based skimmers as we currently have them. They're something that's been a bit absent from the game. Unless you play with mates that indulge in Forgeworld, I don't, you don't come up against many.

I genuinely interested to see what GW comes up with.

[starlight]

Harry you are credible as are stickmonkey and hastings.

this makes a lot of sense New Edition. New Fantastic flyers.

Seriously?

Harry has been the gold standard of rumours for as long as I've been around and Hastings is right up there, but really...? Stickmonkey gets it right sometimes, but certainly isn't in the same league as Harry.

[Maxis Lithium]

The community hasn't had an 'authority' on what's true and what's not since we lost Brimstone, Rest his soul. Harry has done his best to fill in, but there's still a gaping devil shaped hole in all our hearts.

[The Dude]

Let us not run this into a "who's better than who" direction. That is neither helpful, not on topic.

The Dude
The Warseer Inquisition

[Brotheroracle]

This is a game where an appropriate response to "sir, a few dozen idiots in pickup trucks are approaching!" is "bring out the irreplaceable thousand-year-old cyborg killing machine!"
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That really is a fantastic quote, and really sums up 40k for me.

I think flyers are great, I just hope hope they don't go nutz on the size, if 40k tanks can be out of scale, then the plans should too.

[AlphariusOmegon20]

I'd ditch DA and agree with that guess. No way Chaos Warriors are before a codex release, Aug will be 9 months since Necrons, October would essentially be a whole year without a codex.

May: Necron Wave 2
June: Flyer
July: 6th
Aug: Chaos Legions?
Sept: Starter Set
Oct: Chaos Warriors?
Nov: Hobbit

There is another possibility. even with "full coverage" of 6th, that still will not fill a full WD. So there should be more releases that month to cover the rest of WD's pages, I'm thinking it could be the flyers themselves. It also seems odd that only 4 kits would get a month to themselves, without more release support.

So I'm thinking we could be looking at:


May: Necron Wave 2
June: Chaos Legions
July: 6th/Flyers
Aug: Splash release
Sept: Starter Set/WFB release ( possibly the rumored WoC)
Oct: DA
Nov: Hobbit

I have no proof this is the correct answer, but it could be possible and would actually allow for the two 40K codexes we should be getting this year.

[anselminus]

hum flyers in 40k that's will be cool if they becoming.
for me flyers can be adapted in 40k battle, i use flyers with FW rules with my elysian who can take thunderbolt... since many years.
advantages:
-hard to shoot
-nice strategic attack and weapons
-fast move
- least 12' of shooting distance

Disadvantages:
-Their move of 36'
-In spite of the difficulty to shoot down them, they are fragile, and when they are shoot it will be probably destroyed.
-their cost with equipment
-can't takes objectives

so finally too flyers in an army a really an handicap because troops on the groupe are really vulnerable! 240pt a thunderbolt for an heavy choice X3 720pts on a 1500 game ^^ funny but hard

[Brother Hermiad]

HI all, not sure if this supports the idea of an Ork flyer, or if it suggests anything more - ie an Ork splash release - but this has popped up on all the GW Oz Facebook pages with most taking it as their profile pic - with GW Sydney asking the community what thye thiink it means.

[Eldoriath]

I don't get why flyer models have to be soo awfully big unless they are to be more hover-ish. Still, modern fighters are quite small and deadly in firepower and can fly at low speeds if they want to. So the size of a land raider should actually do it for the pure fighters. Or at least for some of the sleeker races that is.

[Sildani]

No, sorry, modern jets are far bigger than you think. The SAAB Gripen and F-16 are two of the smallest fighters around, and they're both as near as makes no difference to 50 feet (about 15m) long, to say nothing of their wingspans.

The Abrams MBT is 32 feet long, cannon included, with the Israeli Merkava coming in at 29 feet (around 9-10m). As you can see, fighters are appreciably bigger than tanks, if lighter. So it makes some sense that the 40K aircraft are bigger than a Land Raider; art imitates life.

[AlphariusOmegon20]

No, sorry, modern jets are far bigger than you think. The SAAB Gripen and F-16 are two of the smallest fighters around, and they're both as near as makes no difference to 50 feet (about 15m) long, to say nothing of their wingspans.

The Abrams MBT is 32 feet long, cannon included, with the Israeli Merkava coming in at 29 feet (around 9-10m). As you can see, fighters are appreciably bigger than tanks, if lighter. So it makes some sense that the 40K aircraft are bigger than a Land Raider; art imitates life.

It depends. You do have to remember that 40K tends to have an older feel to it, so 40K flyers wouldn't be "modern" aircraft as you posted, but more like WW2 or Korean war types.

The Ork Fighta and Fighta Bomma do tend to resemble the MIG 15 and F86 Sabre, which are only 33-37 feet long and have 33-37 foot wingspans. That's no bigger than the Abrams you were referring to and not much more, if you take away wingspan, than the M48 Patton MBT of roughly the same time frame. The Thunderbolt vaguely resembles the Hawker Hurricane and Supermarine Spitfire in styling.

Only the Lightning has current "modern" lines on it, and even that I would argue has lines based more out of the late 60's and 70's than current, such as the now outdated F/A-18A Hornet (I'd argue the whole Hornet airframe is outdated and as such, have been decommissioned years ago, instead of making E and F Super Hornet variants.)

[-Loki-]

Not really rumour related but flyers, are COMPLETELY inappropriate for the squirmish game 40K represents. This is a dead end game wise, although I'm not against the models. I can kind of get behind things that hover, dropping off troops, or a support gunship, but supersonic aircraft staying within the limits of an 8"x4" table, is just dumb.

I think a better way of viewing 40k is as a focal point of a much larger battle. You say flyers are inappropriate for the little skirmishes we say, but so are bombardments from orbiting ships and artillery 'off screen'. Massively important leaders like Calgar, Grimnar, Dante, etc wouldn't showing up for little scuffle either, that's what they have subordinates for. And all of our battles are over tiny patches of dirt on huge planets with nothing else going on?

Yeah, 40k really does make more sense being the focal point of a huge battle. Now having these peerless leaders makes sense - because they're leading from the front. Having support from orbiting ships makes sense - because there's a fleet up there in support of the huge offensive going on. Artillery supprt makes sense - because it's just over the ridge, also firing at other things.

From that perspective, squadrons of aircraft lending their support is just another mechanism of war being sent to the focal point.

[Tymell]

Guys, I don't think we really need a detailed discussion of real world jet history and specs in a thread about a rumoured splash release of 40K fliers