Autumn of Fliers

[Sythica]

Clearly that picture means the Ork Codex is next, and that Orks will be in the starter set. They'll be re-introducing the clans, so it will actually only be orks in the starter set, to allow you to fight superfun ork-on-ork action.

Sorry, couldn't resist. Everyone sure reads a lot into a single image these days (cough) Dark Angel on spine (cough).

[Tymell]

Clearly that picture means the Ork Codex is next, and that Orks will be in the starter set. They'll be re-introducing the clans, so it will actually only be orks in the starter set, to allow you to fight superfun ork-on-ork action.

Sorry, couldn't resist. Everyone sure reads a lot into a single image these days (cough) Dark Angel on spine (cough).

And of course if that picture -doesn't- mean all that Orky stuff is happening then:

That's quite cruel of Games Workshop.

[Archangelion]

@Harry, hasn't the Voidraven model been done for some time now? Why would they delay its release further?

[spud75]

I'm now believing that the flyers will be a large splash release prior to 6th to get everyone excited.

That is all.

[Harry]

@Harry, hasn't the Voidraven model been done for some time now? Why would they delay its release further?

What is a VoidRaven?

You think I'm joking.

[Archangelion]

The Dark Eldar Voidraven Bomber. It was said a while ago that the model had been pushed back due to some design flaw of some fashion. I also seem to remember it being said that the model was later finished and was simply awaiting a release slot. Are you implying that these rumours were infact false?

[Harry]

The Dark Eldar Voidraven Bomber. It was said a while ago that the model had been pushed back due to some design flaw of some fashion. I also seem to remember it being said that the model was later finished and was simply awaiting a release slot. Are you implying that these rumours were infact false?

Eldar flyer ... got it. I imagine that is coming with the Eldar Codex next year. As I said earlier in the thread.

I was not aware I had implied anything about it at all.

I suspect any nonsense about it being pushed back is the usual claptrap about stuff being pushed back. I imagine it is on schedule to be released exactly where it was planned to be released.

It may well be finished .... There are loads of models finished. This notion of awaiting a release slot implies they make it up as they go along and suddenly someone says 'Oh bugger we have nothing coming out next month ... what have we got finished boys'. It just is not like this.

Projects get put in the schedule. Projects get started according to a timetable ... they progress according to a timetable ... with the writers, sculptors, artists having to meet various deadlines on the way. Most times projects start and finish exactly when they are planned to.

Most times all this 'pushed back' stuff it is just internet nonsense.
Most times it just means the original rumours were wrong.

[Silvertongue]

Most times projects start and finish exactly when they are planned to.

"A project does not arrive late or early, Frodo Baggins..."

Now, in all seriousness: are you talking about an Eldar flyer, or about the Dark Eldar Void Raven?

[Tymell]

Eldar flyer ... got it. I imagine that is coming with the Eldar Codex next year. As I said earlier in the thread.

A Dark Eldar flyer is coming with the Eldar codex? Not that I'd doubt you, I just want to check there's not been a misunderstanding since you said yourself you weren't sure what a Voidraven was.

For a suitable Fantasy comparison, that would be like a new Dark Elf Reaper Bolt Thrower coming out with the next High Elf book.

EDIT: Gotcha.

[Harry]

"A project does not arrive late or early, Frodo Baggins..."

Now, in all seriousness: are you talking about an Eldar flyer, or about the Dark Eldar Void Raven?

Opps. Missed the Dark bit.
DARK Eldar flyer..... don't think I have heard anything about a Void Raven or any other Dark Eldar flyer.

(That does not mean it is not happening. It just means I have not heard anything about it .... but as I have said ... there is loads of 40K stuff I don't hear about).

Sorry for confusion. This is why I should leave this stuff to someone who knows what they are talking about.

[Archangelion]

I was talking about the Dark Eldar Voidraven Bomber, Silvertongue. I was led to the understanding that it was to be released alongside the Razorwing Jetfighter. This never happened, and it was said that this was due (not to a pushback) but to some structural or assembly issue with the model (either with the mold or design) and that GW was forced to not release the model due to this issue. I understand that it is possible that this was simply an issue of the person(s) that started the rumour attempting to cover their butts. However, it is also possible that due to the setback implied that the Voidraven was simply 'scraped' as a DE release and that it was desided upon to release it with all the fliers so that each race got a new flyer model of some sort for the flyer release or 6th ed release 'party'.

[meltedwing]

...I suspect any nonsense about it being pushed back is the usual claptrap about stuff being pushed back. I imagine it is on schedule to be released exactly where it was planned to be released...

...Projects get put in the schedule. Projects get started according to a timetable ... they progress according to a timetable ... with the writers, sculptors, artists having to meet various deadlines on the way. Most times projects start and finish exactly when they are planned to.

Most times all this 'pushed back' stuff it is just internet nonsense.
Most times it just means the original rumours were wrong.

Anyone who's ever worked for a large company knows that schedules change to adapt to unforeseen issues and opportunities. Sure they have a schedule and I would bet lots of money that most of the time projects are completed on time and released on time, but I can guarantee that not all projects finish on time. When a company identifies that a project is behind schedule they determine whether they have time to bring it up to speed or if they need to reschedule the project for a later release date.

Just look at any MMO ever made. They internally schedule a particular release date and then more often than not they push that date back half a dozen times or more.

While I realize that creating an MMO is a drastically more complicated endeavor than creating some models and a rulebook for a tabletop wargame, but the principle remains.

The only time a large company can assure that they will stick to a release schedule with perfect precision is when they follow the scotty philosophy and always establish retardedly long development cycles during which they could have released two or three times as many projects.

I understand the need to tamp down excessive "they pushed it back" rumors, it just seems that legitimate instances of re-scheduling seem to get the beat down when they are rumored about and those bringing forth said rumors are treated like pariah.

I suppose this is probably the reason people around here have learned to throw lots of salt on their timelines so that they have a prepared defense when timelines change on them.

[Harry]

Sure ... but I did say MOST of the time ... twice.

If this forum was to be believed every other project is being pushed back and GW couldn't bring a project in on time for love nor money.

I have been doing this rumour thing for a while now and the "legitimate instances of re-schedling" are few and far between.

Most times it is just the excuse given for folks getting stuff wrong.

Why folks can't just say ... 'sorry guys I got that wrong' ... 'my information was duff' or something else rather than blame it on GW not being able to find their **** with both hands and flashlight is beyond me.

Look at this thread ... I got it wrong. It appears this stuff is coming sooner than I imagined ... I got it wrong. Look at Tomb Kings. they turned up three months sooner that I had them pegged. Sometimes things come out later than I predict .... I get it wrong .... they were not pushed back. There was not a problem with a model ... Timelines didn't change on me. They were never coming out when I said. I got it wrong. My best guess based on sketchy information was wrong.

Doesn't make me a bad person, doesn't make me a liar. Just means I got it wrong. Hell I started this thread based on a wing and a prayer. The information I had was so thin it was barely there at all. This could still all turn out to be complete bobbins.

Lets just be open and honest about it instead of making some soft excuse.

[meltedwing]

Sure ... but I did say MOST of the time ... twice.

If this forum was to be believed every other project is being pushed back and GW couldn't bring a project in on time for love nor money.

I have been doing this rumour thing for a while now and the "legitimate instances of re-schedling" are few and far between.

Most times it is just the excuse given for folks getting stuff wrong.

Why folks can't just say ... 'sorry guys I got that wrong' ... 'my information was duff' or something else rather than blame it on GW not being able to find their **** with both hands and flashlight is beyond me.

Look at this thread ... I got it wrong. It appears this stuff is coming sooner than I imagined ... I got it wrong. Look at Tomb Kings. they turned up three months sooner that I had them pegged. Sometimes things come out later than I predict .... I get it wrong .... they were not pushed back. There was not a problem with a model ... Timelines didn't change on me. They were never coming out when I said. I got it wrong. My best guess based on sketchy information was wrong.

Doesn't make me a bad person, doesn't make me a liar. Just means I got it wrong. Hell I started this thread based on a wing and a prayer. The information I had was so thin it was barely there at all. This could still all turn out to be complete bobbins.

Lets just be open and honest about it instead of making some soft excuse.

No, I totally understand and I'm definitely not trying to bust your balls or anything.

I think there is a big difference between getting something wrong, and reporting information as it's been reported to you, but beyond your control the information ended up not being reflective of the end result. I'm not sure what information you originally received on this particular topic, but if a trusted source told you that it would be a certain date based on the internal release schedule and that's what you reported to the community in good faith, then you weren't actually wrong. It just changed.

Now if you reported a particular time frame based on a best guess scenario and it ended up not being that then... well... I guess you got it wrong, but that's wholly different than the previous scenario.

Again, I totally get that the "it got pushed back" rumors are a dime a dozen and often are due to people guessing based on incomplete information and in those cases they should definitely indicate that it was just a guess right up front (which, to the best of my knowledge, you are extremely good about).

Perhaps it's my own failing, but it annoys the crap out of me when I have solid information about something from a very reliable source and am then told by a highly respected rumor monger that I'm "full of it" or some similarly dismissive phrase.

But perhaps that's just the nature of the beast. No one knows whether or not my information is solid except for me and my source, until the rumors I put out are proven true or false by GW themselves. It's definitely not easy to share information around here without someone commenting on the marital status of your parents or questioning the current location of your cranium in reference to your rectum.

[Archangelion]

Why folks can't just say ... 'sorry guys I got that wrong' ... 'my information was duff' or something else rather than blame it on GW not being able to find their **** with both hands and flashlight is beyond me.

It isn't just on this forum that people do this. I see it every day. People don't want to be held resposible for their shortcomings, whether it is their fault or not. People like to be seen as perfect. Truth is, no one is always right, no one is always wrong. Sometimes you get things done right, sometimes you totaly botch it up. The point is that people simply need to suck it up and admit their errors. Doing so shows a great strenth of character, and honor.

[Grimdesign]

everyone needs to get their mitts out of Harrys Pie pan and let the pie do his thing. If ya cant handle the salt, stop ordering the sodium.

remember until its released/announced by GW, everything is unverified and is NOT solid, ergo its a rumor. It being a rumor, means that its a rumor, a rumor, and nothing but a rumor.
So remember, when Angry, put the pie down. Rumor, tis a rumor, not a fact.

rumor

rumor

rumor

I can only say it so many times, rumor. Dont blame the pie, or you WILL get indigestion.


thanks for the rumor's Harry

[Wrath]

rather than blame it on GW not being able to find their **** with both hands and flashlight is beyond me.

To be fair, this is kind of the image most Vets get when they try and figure out WTH GW is doing most of the time

On a side note, this will totally be Stickmonkey if a "Summer of Fliers" comes to pass.

[Harry]

Perhaps it's my own failing, but it annoys the crap out of me when I have solid information about something from a very reliable source and am then told by a highly respected rumor monger that I'm "full of it" or some similarly dismissive phrase.

Sorry I may have been a bit slow. I have been drinking.
Have I at some point dismissed a rumour you have brought? I do try very hard not to do it. (Even if I am 100% sure something is wrong). I don't think I have ever said anyone here is full of it. If I have I can only apologise.

For my part you always seem to talk a lot of sense and I always read your posts with interest. I am quite sure any rumour you have brought here was done in good faith whether it proved right or wrong.

But perhaps that's just the nature of the beast. No one knows whether or not my information is solid except for me and my source, until the rumors I put out are proven true or false by GW themselves. It's definitely not easy to share information around here without someone commenting on the marital status of your parents or questioning the current location of your cranium in reference to your rectum.

LOL ... most of the time I don't know if I am right or wrong until it happens.
It really isn't easy to share information around here ... and I am sorry if I have made it harder.

[Harry]

To be fair, this is kind of the image most Vets get when they try and figure out WTH GW is doing most of the time

Me included .... check out my sig ... founding father of J.A.D.E.D.

On a side note, this will totally be Stickmonkey if a "Summer of Fliers" comes to pass.

I imagine he is practicing the dance right now.

[meltedwing]

Sorry I may have been a bit slow. I have been drinking.
Have I at some point dismissed a rumour you have brought? I do try very hard not to do it. (Even if I am 100% sure something is wrong). I don't think I have ever said anyone here is full of it. If I have I can only apologise.

For my part you always seem to talk a lot of sense and I always read your posts with interest. I am quite sure any rumour you have brought here was done in good faith whether it proved right or wrong.

LOL ... most of the time I don't know if I am right or wrong until it happens.
It really isn't easy to share information around here ... and I am sorry if I have made it harder.

Oh, no worries Harry. I don't recall any specific time that you've dismissed anything I've put out. It's probably mostly other people who distort what you, hastings, bok and various other people say, or just seem to think that smacking down anyone who is not universally recognized as a highly reliable rumor monger is fun.

The good news is that I'm slowly learning to survive here, and in all honesty you've helped that quite a bit.