Autumn of Fliers

[Gingerwerewolf]

I anticipate that we will get the rules for the models, but that then a new unit type will be introduced, or rules for a new unit type when 6th edition hits.

I certainly hope it will any way. The idea of men riding wolves attacking my F22 Raptor just drives me insane. Jump packs... ok.... ground pounders... stupid.

This man has never seen Mega Shark v's Giant Octopus Trailer here - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fa7ck5mcd1o

Make sure you watch to the very end.

Though I do agree. But if they are not careful every army will have to take Fliers / AA guns in every game, because Fliers will completely dominate...

[madden]

And screw over the nids/deamons again (unless you gear for shooting) it's not like the nids/deamons (can) have lots of shooting, also (going of apoc rules) only imperial/ex imperial have pintel mounted guns so getting the rules to work right won't be easy. Interested in how this works out.

[Eumerin]

Did not know that...

Tyranids have gone through at least a couple of different iterations. Google "Tyranid Attack" to see what the Tyranid Warriors looked like back when they were first mass-produced for public consumption. And those Tyranids have a few key differences from the original ones that appeared in Rogue Trader.

The "suspiciously zerglike" stuff mentioned above came in the redesign following. I still remember opening an issue of White Dwarf to see the new Tyranid redesign, and spotting something that looked suspiciously like a hydralisk.

In any event, the important thing is that neither GW nor Blizzard seem intent on doing anything about claimed similarities at this time.

[exsulis]

Am I the only who does not expect the Dark Angels to get the "storm talon?"

hear me out on this. CSM is due out some time in the next 6 months, and in theory the DA will arrive after that. It makes a certain amount of sense for GW to do the same thing they did with the stormraven with only two armies able to take. Where as making the kit look "old" may allow it to fit a loyalist army, and chaos. Which leaves the stormtalon to cover three armies.

[Beppo1234]

Am I the only who does not expect the Dark Angels to get the "storm talon?"

hear me out on this. CSM is due out some time in the next 6 months, and in theory the DA will arrive after that. It makes a certain amount of sense for GW to do the same thing they did with the stormraven with only two armies able to take. Where as making the kit look "old" may allow it to fit a loyalist army, and chaos. Which leaves the stormtalon to cover three armies.

it makes more sense for it to be available to all marine armies, that way everyone who plays marines can buy it for gaming... not just a sub group of marines players. More buyers, more sales, more money. I know this statement makes the omission of people who buy models outside of their chosen army's rule limitations. But I think it's fair to say if the model is legal for all armies, more people will be tempted to buy it, than if it was not legal for their army

I definitely want to pick up a talon or two. It looks pretty slick, though I could go for larger tail section stabilizer/elevators on them.

[MajorWesJanson]

It's not a transport, but a Landspeeder+. No reason to keep it away from armies. Maybe Grey Knights won't get it, but I can see the Vanilla, Wolves, BA, BT, and Templars possibly having a shot at it.

[Rick Blaine]

It's not a transport, but a Landspeeder+. No reason to keep it away from armies. Maybe Grey Knights won't get it, but I can see the Vanilla, Wolves, BA, BT, and Templars possibly having a shot at it.

Agreed. It would make sense to allow it to anyone who can already take Landspeeders.

[Voss]

it makes more sense for it to be available to all marine armies, that way everyone who plays marines can buy it for gaming... not just a sub group of marines players. More buyers, more sales, more money. I know this statement makes the omission of people who buy models outside of their chosen army's rule limitations. But I think it's fair to say if the model is legal for all armies, more people will be tempted to buy it, than if it was not legal for their army

That same logic works for storm ravens, baal predators, ironclad dreads and thunderfire cannons, however.

I would not be surprised at all if the new thing is limited to the marine books that did not get updated during 5th. (Or even more limited than that). Keeping marine forces distinct is honestly the only thing that justifies keeping all the minor variants around.

[Elios Harg]

My guess is that the Storm Talon will go to the Marine armies without the Storm Raven

[Spider-pope]

it makes more sense for it to be available to all marine armies, that way everyone who plays marines can buy it for gaming... not just a sub group of marines players. More buyers, more sales, more money. I know this statement makes the omission of people who buy models outside of their chosen army's rule limitations. But I think it's fair to say if the model is legal for all armies, more people will be tempted to buy it, than if it was not legal for their army

I definitely want to pick up a talon or two. It looks pretty slick, though I could go for larger tail section stabilizer/elevators on them.

I wouldnt worry about it. Given past form even if it's initially released as a Dark Angels only, specialist unit that is made a core part of their background, it'll still be given to every Space Marine chapter once the next vanilla codex comes around.

[Corsair Princess]

Depending on it's size, the Space Marine vehicle could be a great stand in for Blight Drones, hello conversion potential

[DeviLution]

Find it highly laughable, all the people saying "it makes sense for the Talon to be given to all Marines, and maybe even Chaos, too" when the same was said of the Thunderfire and the Storm Raven. And since when does GW exhibit sense to begin with? Getting a huge chuckle out of this thread lately.

EDIT - To be honest, they might allow the Talon for all Marines, although as far as Chaos goes I feel that's almost impossible. But all Loyalists getting the Talon? I highly doubt it.

EDIT 2 - Hey, thought occurs to me. I would love to have the Storm Raven made available to the Fenrisians, Codex Chapters, etc. Wonder if there's a fleeting chance in the underworld that we might see the Raven's usage expanded at some point...

[Elios Harg]

I would venture a guess the talon will be available to at least Wolves and Ultramarines. The likelihood of Dark Angels and/or Black Templars coming out in the next year and a half or so could see them getting their own separate flier with their books.

[KarlPedder]

Yeah i wouldn't be suprised at all if the SMs end up with 3 flyers with each shared by two Marine Codexes, they do seem to be moving away from the everyone gets everything which IMO is far better than making every Marine army homogenous. I mean seriously we have already had BA players saying they think they should get the Stormtalon......... such players are the proof that people don't always know whats best for them....

[Beppo1234]

Yeah i wouldn't be suprised at all if the SMs end up with 3 flyers with each shared by two Marine Codexes, they do seem to be moving away from the everyone gets everything which IMO is far better than making every Marine army homogenous. I mean seriously we have already had BA players saying they think they should get the Stormtalon......... such players are the proof that people don't always know whats best for them....

I think they should all have access to everything in the SM armoury... but that point cost should seriously vary between armies, to make their use either prohibitive by certain armies, or advantageous by others.

[KarlPedder]

I think they should all have access to everything in the SM armoury... but that point cost should seriously vary between armies, to make their use either prohibitive by certain armies, or advantageous by others.

Which completely eliminates any real need for seperate lists........It's the whole I want those toys because they exist not because I really need them. If we lived in a world where there was only one Marine codex sure but with 6-7 armies having everything in every book with nothing but differences in points, lore and some model asthetics is pretty much the worst fanwank idea I have come across and I am so glad that GW seem to have abandoned this concept with 5th ed. If your going to have half the armies in the game be some brand of SM at least make them different to help justify it beyond a marketing choice. Your premise would result in half the armies being homegenous boring drivel just so you could have X unit + y colours/fluff......... I would say your exactly the kind of person that developers are talking about when they say that the "fans" don't always know whats best for them....

[Spiney Norman]

Find it highly laughable, all the people saying "it makes sense for the Talon to be given to all Marines, and maybe even Chaos, too" when the same was said of the Thunderfire and the Storm Raven. And since when does GW exhibit sense to begin with? Getting a huge chuckle out of this thread lately.

The thing is people don't understand how GW's thought processes work in all of this

Warseer member thinks "surely GW will make the storm raven available to other SM armies because then they will sell more Storm ravens to more people"

GW thinks "lets make the storm raven only available to red and silver marines, that way all the vanilla SM players out there will want the new flyer so badly that they'll all go out and start new armies!"

I'm not sure GW thinks in terms of maximising sales on individual kits when they would obviously much rather get you to start a whole new army and sell you loads of kits.

The sad thing is, that based on the buying trends of the SM enthusiasts in my local club, GW was right...

It wouldn't surprise me if the new flyer was only given to Nilla and Dark Green marines, or even just Dark Green and Black marines depending on the order the codexes come out in. I seriously doubt we'll be seeing a new Light grey Marine codex any time soo just so they can put a new flyer in it.

[MajorWesJanson]

I think they should all have access to everything in the SM armoury... but that point cost should seriously vary between armies, to make their use either prohibitive by certain armies, or advantageous by others.

Or just different slots. Say Space Marines and Dark Angels get them as squadrons of 1-3 vehicles in FA slots, while Space Wolves and Blood Angels have them as single vehicles in FA slots, and Black Templars have them as 1-3 in Heavy Support.

[Bassik]

So this means we can finally, finally make that Ork blitzkrieg army we all think about from time to time. Tanks, infantry and fighta bommas. Awesome.

Posted from my Game Boy Pocket via Super Mario Land 2: Six Golden Coins ^^

[Gorbad Ironclaw]

Which completely eliminates any real need for seperate lists........

Isn't that a worthwhile result all in it's own?