Space Wolves - Squadrons of Typhoon Speeders?

[Chapters Unwritten]

I looked up competitive lists for Space Wolves today and found many lists which use Typhoons in squadrons. This doesn't seem right, but the way it's worded in the book is strange. It lists all your standard Speeder options and then says, in a separate option, that A land speeder can be upgraded to a Typhoon. That, to me, says only one. No?

[Rosco151]

I don't think so. If it says that 'a' Land Speeder can be upgraded to a Typhoon for a certain cost, I would say that it applies to all of them. Look at the various pack options, which specifically state that only a certain number of pack members can be given special weapons, etc... If the Typhoon upgrade was limited to 1 per squadron, it would be more specific as per the pack options.

[blurrymadness]

While my gut says you can upgrade all of them; other codices tend to say "any" if they allow all of them to be upgraded. RAW; it's arguable that it's one. RAI... probably all of them?

[NixonAsADaemonPrince]

This crops up every now and again, the general consensus is usually that it's RAI that you may upgrade as many Land Speeders to Typhoons as you wish, but arguable RAW that you may not. Basically what blurrymadness said.

[Tethylis]

Well IIRC then Dark Angels can only have 1 upgraded aswell, so its not like its unprecedented. Could just be a return shift in codex design, same way they did with the transport capacity on the Wolves pods and LR's

[WildWeasel]

It's a bit of clunky wording as they separate out the Typhoon and Tornado pattern options by name. Every other limited pick option expressly says X may be taken.

[scotticus2]

Contacted games workshop and this is teh official line.

Basic type - 3 Land speeder with heavy bolter only. - Any of these 3 may replace its heavy bolter with heavy flamer or multi melta.

Tornado type - 3 Land speeders with heavy bolter (or upgraded heavy bolter to heavy flamer or multi melta) and a heavy flamer or heavy bolter or multi melta or assault cannon. HB+HF, HB+HB, HB+MM, HB+AC, HF+HF, HF+HB, HF+MM, HF+AC, MM+HF, MM+HB, MM+MM, MM+AC.

Typhoon type - 3 Land speeders with heavy bolter and typhoon missile launcher. The heavy bolter may not be upgraded to HF or MM. HB + Typhoon missile launcher + 3rd weapon is not allowed.

You can have a sqaudron with any combination of each type.

[Jayden63]

I don't think so. If it says that 'a' Land Speeder can be upgraded to a Typhoon for a certain cost, I would say that it applies to all of them. Look at the various pack options, which specifically state that only a certain number of pack members can be given special weapons, etc... If the Typhoon upgrade was limited to 1 per squadron, it would be more specific as per the pack options.

This is exactly how I read it as well. However, I can see how others might read the listing as more restrictive. All in all, it is just a poorly worded unit entry. Best bet to clarify with your tourny organizers first. I doubt the casual gamer for a pick up game would even care.

[shadekiller]

@tethylis : actually the wolves and blood angels one is the correct transport value, Ward got told that changing the C:SM transport capacity was a mistake so that's why they fixed it after that. Expect it to come back to normal next codex.

[hobojebus]

Space wolves are all about flxibility the way i've always read it was you can upgrade as many as you want from speeder to Typhoons.

[Khorneflakes]

the way i read it is you can have ANY number of speeders upgraded to tornados and A speeder to a typhoon

[scotticus2]

I am afraid that your wrong. It was worded they way it was to stop people combinging tornado and typhoons into one supper land speed - i.e assault cannon and typhoon missile launcher.

If it was going to be a single typhoon it would have stated "a single" or "one". The use of the term "a" does not imply singularity in this case but is used to signify that the land speeder can be basic, torndao or typhoon.

Case closed.

[Chapters Unwritten]

I could use "A" in a ton of sentences that illustrates otherwise.

[scotticus2]

But in this case you would be wrong. If you look at all of the codex books when there is a number limit it states the number limit with an actual number. The wording "alternatively a" follows two bullet points for options starting with "any". Thus meaning that you can have 3 typhoons. To confirm this I actually contacted GW and they made the point that the wording was to stop people combining tornado and typhoon weapon load outs. If the last bullet point did not start with "Alternatively a" then you could have typhoon and tornado hybrids.

The use of the letter "a" can denote singular or multiple depending upon the structure of the text. Your right however in the the use of the letter "A" - as in a capital letter placed at the start of a sentance - in this format you rare correct - singular. This text does not start with the a capital letter "A" (well technically it does in Alternatively)

[scotticus2]

I could use "A" in a ton of sentences that illustrates otherwise.

But not in the sentence in the codex you couldnt.