TLOS means that you can basically see through all forest on the board, but shooting through them gives a negative to hit. You could declare that a forest blocks TLOS before the battle, if your opponent agrees, but it would be a special case. I don't really think it's realistic to have a grove of trees make a marching unit of troops invisible....unless it was a skirmishing unit that specifically were dressed for camouflage and didn't move until an ambush.
Is not Thunder Stomp itself a special rule? If that is your argument then Thunder Stomp can not be allowed to let you Thunder Stomp, as being able to Thunder Stomp benefits Thunder Stomp, therefore you can't use the Thunder Stomp rule in conjunction with Thunder Stomping to Thunder Stomp. ~Aglemar
It rather depends on whether you're talking about an actual forest, where you have lots of trees fairly close together or a warhammer forest which is three trees in the middle of a field.Originally Posted by Souppilgrim
any argument to say that they're thinking of us by turning metal to resin is as convincing as a frenzied Khorne worshipper covered in blood, still chomping on a victim, with a Khorne sigil tattooed to his forhead pleading a case of mistaken identity when questioned about a murder.
just a quick question: can cavalry join monstrous cav, i know there will be no LOS because if they can putting a priest in demigryphs could be quite nice?
They can be one and the same thing.
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Yes, it can. But everybody can pick and shoot him with no problem.
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Kaiserfaust!!! little plog of mine - http://www.warseer.com/forums/showth...e-clad-in-IronAnd thus ends another episode of Whineseer-panty-twist theater. Join us next time when we overreact to a roumor about another new unit who's unknown rules will cause us to poo our pants once again.
Only with templates.
Sometimes we don't see the forest for the trees.
Yes, you can have a WP or TGM leading your DGK's.
Guys 2 questions. Any uses for Raiksguard Knights ? and is 30 GS enough for a decent parent unit ?
As to GS : it depends on size of Your army. 30 is solid enough, 40 is much better, but points run so fast now. Reiksguard seems to be good stopper for slavehordes and such. You can put them to stop early and by doing so force Your opponent to go around them, I will try that next week on my friends zombies, cause he loves spamming 3-4 units of 40-50 models
Finecast is like a watch from Armani - very expensive and waterproof.
Kaiserfaust!!! little plog of mine - http://www.warseer.com/forums/showth...e-clad-in-IronAnd thus ends another episode of Whineseer-panty-twist theater. Join us next time when we overreact to a roumor about another new unit who's unknown rules will cause us to poo our pants once again.
30 Greatswords is a brilliant size for a parent unit because it allows you to field 15 man detachments which is the minimum viable size for combat detachments IMHO. It also keeps the cost just about manageable.
any argument to say that they're thinking of us by turning metal to resin is as convincing as a frenzied Khorne worshipper covered in blood, still chomping on a victim, with a Khorne sigil tattooed to his forhead pleading a case of mistaken identity when questioned about a murder.
How many characters would you say is too many? I seem to have ended up with 8 in 3000 points, which is more than I've ever used in any army before... Here's the list:
Wizard Lord - level 4, dispel scroll, light - 225
Captain - lance, shield, full plate, barded horse, luckstone - 96 (army general... yes, really)
Captain - great weapon, full plate, dragon helm - 82
Captain - bsb, full plate, enchanted shield, dawntsone - 121
Wizard - level 2, light - 100
Warrior Priest - heavy armour, shield - 69
Warrior Priest - heavy armour, shield - 69
Engineer - 65
45 Halberdiers - full command - 300 (warrior priest + bsb here)
45 Halberdiers - full command - 300 (warrior priest + other captain here)
20 Handgunners - 180
8 Knights - inner circle, full command, standard of discipline - 245 (general here)
3 Demigryph Knights - 174
3 Cannons - 360
20 Flagellants - prophet - 250
Helblaster - 120 (engineer standing somewhere nearby)
2 Helstorms - 240
Comes to 2996 points. The knights with the general will sit between and slightly back from the two halberd units to hopefully do some counter-charging while giving everyone Ld9 (and I like having my little command squad). The hand gunners sit back with the war machines to try and deter anyone that tries getting too close (been having a lot of trouble with some dwarf miners who seem to like taking out 3 times there own points in every game...). Demigryphs and flagellants try to guard the flanks. Not sure where to stick the wizards, might just use the hand gunners as a wizard bunker too (quite literally had that idea while typing... I'm so clever :roll eyes: )!
I know it seems like a lot of characters, but I think if I can get a few prayers and light spells off I might actually have some decent combat units.
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Had another game tonight with a 12-8 loss (that's just over 300pts for anyone not tournament savvy). Was against High Elves, using the same list as before, and in Dawn Attack again. This time I got the Engineer and most of the machines together but my general and BSB were stuck off on a flank. The opponent had 2 blocks of 30 Lions, one of which housed a Talisman/Robes Level 4 and a World Dragon BSB, aswell as a block of 40 Spears with Level 2, 2 Eagles, 2 10 man Archer blocks, and 5 Princes. Honestly everything went well enough, but when push came to shove I had to concentrate some power dice to dispel Witherings on my Stank, which did a beautiful job holding up a Lion block all game (and almost killing it; 3 Lions and the general off). As a result he was able to stop my prayers and with no ward or protective magic his Lions ate my GS with general and BSB alive. Stank misfired most of the game again, albeit mostly on wounds this time, but did a good job. Large Halberdier block got bottle-necked out of action for the game giving them nothing to do. Helblaster was unreal, killing 6 Lions in turn 2 and then 12 more in turn 3 before an Eagle got it. Knights worked well as sturdy chaff. Liking the list now, though need to make sure I get use out of my unit every game as this is the second time it has happened.
Didn't roll Throne or Regrowth and ironically I got 12PD in turn 1 with nothing to do with magic.
On another note, my detachments were unchargable once again though ready to counter charge
I have a badlands campaign starting in my local store starting at 1000pts and after some dismal fist attempts I have come up with this list, will hopefully get to play test it tmrw
lvl 4 wizard lord Life/Beasts
Warrior Priest - Shield, HA and Dragon Helm
BSB - FP, Enchanted Shield, Dawn Stone
22 Halberdiers plus FC
10 Crossbows
3 Demigryph knights SB and M
Great Cannon
this leaves me with 40pts to spare, so I can either squeeze in another 6 halberdiers or give VHS to my WP to give him a bit of an edge in combat
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I think eight is too many if it means that you cannot even afford some armour or wards on they lynchpins of your army, not even in 3k. If those guys survive, I want to move and play in your meta.
I agree 8 seems like too many, I generally take a Ld 9 general, a BSB, a wizard lord then 1 warrior priest per core combat block and 1 engineer per helblaster.
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any argument to say that they're thinking of us by turning metal to resin is as convincing as a frenzied Khorne worshipper covered in blood, still chomping on a victim, with a Khorne sigil tattooed to his forhead pleading a case of mistaken identity when questioned about a murder.
GodlessM - one question. Why HE player didn't use BoH ?
Spiney, I'd like to get back to this debate once more because I think using detachments is the most difficult thing to learn for any Empire player and cannot be discussed enough. Would you be able to charge the flank if the enemy unit hit the side closer to the detachment?
I was having a quick look through the Book last night, most excited about the core knights, was thinking fill out core entirely with knights backed up by greatswords.
Then I thought would a IC Knight horde be viable? Would hit like an absolute ton of bricks, plus 30 would probably be enough as with the speed and high Armour save unlikely to lose many before the strike.
Might be fun to have a bash with.
Important Stats in 8th Edition Fantasy Battle are as follows:
Weapon Skill
Strength
That is all.....Well maybe Attacks....Wounds are nice too.
Because it's crap. You still need to hit the casting value and it leaves the Mage vulnerable to even basic troops. A nigh unkillable Mage holing away 360pts you can't get is much better, especially since High Elves have enough extra power dice generation to dominate magic with ease as is.
Yes! at last after years of people elevating the BoH the unkillable build finally gets recognition.
On an unrelated note i was wondering how many blocks of infantry people were managing in 2400 and what the lord set up was looking like at this points value?
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