8th Edition 2012 book Empire Tactica

[Vandur Last]

Maybe it should be debated, but not in the TACTICS thread. Go somewhere else to debate issues of fluff.

Are you kidding me with this? The guy makes a perfectly reasonable comment in the midst of a wider discussion and not only does someone take issue with the idea of a lumbering behemoth being pretty fast According to the rules but then you have to jump in on the arguing against something obvious side???

Honestly sometimes a guy just can't win.

[Keeper]

Hey guys, I am going to play my first 500 points game with the empire in a week's time and I would like to use a big block of halberdiers supported by a detachment within my list. Since I have no experience in playing the empire, I would like to ask which detachment you guys would recommend ?

[knightime98]

1x unit of halbs 30 strong w/cmd
1x detachments of swordsmen 15 strong

sets you between 310 to 320 points... Leaves you with ~180 points to tinker..

Remember you need a rank remaining to disrupt a ranked unit that you are attacking.

[Lord Solar Plexus]

knightime gives good advice. In such a small game, your parent cannot become much larger without taking away from the rest of the list, so your detachment is pretty much limited to roundabout 15 men. If you really need to shave points, you could use 15 Halberdiers but the better survivability of Swords comes in handy in a situation like this.

I'd add a unit (detachment or parent) of 5-10 archers, as they provide some low-level ranged attacks for cheap as well as a diverter and two Captains, one as your General, the other for redundancy (he doesn't get a bubble but can take over with the same Ld and help the parent and detachment).

Alternatively, and there are a couple of alternatives, I can see Pistoliers being very useful. At this point level, their damage output is respectable enough and the tools to kill them easily will be limited. A Warrior Priest is always nice - as long as you have agreed to even use magic. If not, you can't use his prayers, and I personally would prefer to leave magic out of 500 points.

[Asuryan's Spear]

just a quick question: if you place an engineer with a HBVG does it use the engineers BS for the shots?

[Eyrenthaal]

just a quick question: if you place an engineer with a HBVG does it use the engineers BS for the shots?

If you declare that the engineer will assist the hbvg prior to shooting with it, then yes. It'll also grant you one re roll on one of the artillery dices. But he won't be permitted to do anything on his own..

Rob

[danny-d-b]

Hi guys

I'm coming up against an orian WE army on saturday who will be brining a whole load of wild riders- any ideas on how to deal with thease things, will the normaly tactics of gunning them down with artillery before engaging them with a halbader hoard work?

[Tuttivillus]

WE tend to struggle against armour so don't forget to take some knights and/or Demigryphs. You could also take a captasus to deal with Eagles, which probably will be there for redirecting or WMachine hunt. And screen Your foot with archers If You feel that he will bring like zounds of bows Other than that I can't help You much as I didn't face them in a looong time. Have fun!!!

[danny-d-b]

well after working varous things out (inculuing the fact that every single empire model I own will be own the table, plus a few proxies- I've come up with the following 2.5k list to face them


Level 4 light wizzard with Dispel scroll, Pegasus 275
flys around looking dangerous, hopefullying having magical superiority and generaly staying out of harms way (e.g out of charge arc's of fast cav)
General of the empire, sword of anti heroes, talisman of 5+ ward, full plate and shield 202 (477)
will lead the Great swords with one of the warrior priests and the witch hunter to help power up the sword of anti hero's- hopefully the 2+/5++ should keep him alive
BSB with full plate, enchated shield and talisman of 4+ ward save 141
joins the halbaders
Warrior priest with heavy armour, ruby ring of ruin and great weapon 72
Warrior priest with heavy armour, Crown of command and great weapon 72
Top one joins the greatswords to give them hatred, the bottom one joins halbadesrs to give them hatred and stubbon!
Witch hunter with BOP 55
joins the greatswords to help with the sword of anti hero's and also the standing and shooting effect is always nice
Engineer, light armour 66
helps fire the vollygun

40 halbarders with full command 270
 20 swordsmen 140
Big block number one- detachment on outside flank to help in combat against any big blocks, and to hold up any fast cav that come afterme
5 knights, musician 120
redirecters, might also be good to charge deplated wild rider units
10 handgunners, marksman 100
just filling up the core points

20 Great swords with full command 250
second big block- hopefully give me a solid center, regardless of which side the WE try to engage me
Great cannon 120
always usefull
5 outriders with musician, champion 130
more shooting to wittle down the wild riders
3 Demigryph knights with full command and banner of the eternal flame 214
will deploy on the flanks and will try to go after any tree's that a brought and bring them down, as it says 'unit has flaming' I'm persuming this means mounts as well
Helstorm rocket battery 120
Helbaster volley gun 120
The helstorm will target any blocks of infantry, leaving the vollygun to open up on the wild riders

sadly I've got no archers, so I'm having to use cavalry to hold them off (not the most glamours use of knights but a way of using them) plan is to be fairly defencive trying to out shoot him, before enganging anything that reaches my lines with the 2 blocks of infantry

[Daniel36]

That's a big list man!! Be careful not to forget anything! >_<

Don't want to override your post there, Danny, but I have nothing worthwhile to say about your list and want to know something for my own list.
I am going up against an inexperienced Chaos Warriors player. I am pretty inexperienced myself, so no worries for him there. I am going to run a list mostly of models that I own, not stuff I think will obliterate him. It'll just be a fun game with a somewhat fluffy list for me. (Warrior Priest mopping up the rabble and flagellants to do some damage!)

Warrior Priest with Great Weapon and Heavy Armour
Battle Standard Bearer with Hand Weapon and Full Plate
Wizard level 2 with Hand Weapon

28 Militia with musician and standard bearer - Joined by the Priest and Battle Standard
10 Crossbowmen without sense of humour

5 Pistoliers with musician
30 Flagellants with attitude

My question, what are some good magic lores and spells to use against Chaos Warriors?

[dutchwarlord]

1x unit of halbs 30 strong w/cmd
1x detachments of swordsmen 15 strong

Against str 3 troops it's better to use a regiment of swordsmen and a detachment of halbadiers.

My question, what are some good magic lores and spells to use against Chaos Warriors?

Lore of metal will do a lot of damage, beasts is really usefull for buffing your troops.
Flaggelants will really hurt chaos warriors

[Daniel36]

Flaggelants will really hurt chaos warriors

I know right? Perhaps I will finally tally up another win. This will be the second time I field my Empire in 8th ed. The first time I just deployed what I had and against my friend's VC, and I just don't do well against VC, especially with my Wood Elves, but I am looking forward to this battle. Perhaps I will also test this list against my friend's VC, so we shall see. Thanks for the tip.

[dutchwarlord]

But make sure there are enough of them left to attack.... Chaos warriors will really hurt flaggelants too. So either charge a unit in the flank or make sure their unit is not really big anymore.

[danny-d-b]

Yep trying to outfight warriors is a bit of a stupid idea, they munch through flaggelants as easy as state troops, better to load up with state troops, and use the saved points for more firepower

[dutchwarlord]

You will still need something to defeat them in combat eventually. Flaggelants (if 12 can attack) and 2 of them suicid will kill about 10 chaos warriors... So if you take a big enough unit they are a really good choise.

[Daniel36]

Going out of a limb to guess he will take two blocks of Chaos Warriors, using his leftover points for a wizard... Not sure what else he will field. I have a block of 10 crossbowmen which will stay close to my two bigger units, so they can munch on some Warriors. I will use my Pistoliers to flank him and annoy the crap out of him, and then when he gets close enough will smoke away his metal armour using my wizard.

Besides, it will just be a game for fun. Not that I want to lose, but I am not going to throw a total anti-Chaos list at him. Plus I really do simply suck at Warhammer, hahah. But thanks for the tips, when I fight his army again, I will take them into account.

[danny-d-b]

Anyway had my game against wood elves, solid victory for me, vollygun ripped through orions unit, leaving him on 1 wound, to be finnisheed off by handgunners, the rest of the units bounced off my stubbon units

[Daniel36]

Coolness!! Congrats on that. So your Volleygun was doing a good job huh? I am wondering whether I should include one... I think I will stick with Pistoliers though... If only because I want to see how they operate, and it does look good to have a couple of no-good horsemen to accompany my no-good pirate warband. I will let you guys know how the battle went.

Anyways, is it me, or is the captain on the front of the book illegally equiped? He is holding what I guess is either a Repeater Handgun or Repeater Pistol, but as far as I'm aware he can't equip that... O_o

[Tuttivillus]

Anyway had my game against wood elves, solid victory for me, vollygun ripped through orions unit, leaving him on 1 wound, to be finnisheed off by handgunners, the rest of the units bounced off my stubbon units

Nice! Congrats

[danny-d-b]

Coolness!! Congrats on that. So your Volleygun was doing a good job huh? I am wondering whether I should include one... I think I will stick with Pistoliers though... If only because I want to see how they operate, and it does look good to have a couple of no-good horsemen to accompany my no-good pirate warband. I will let you guys know how the battle went.

Anyways, is it me, or is the captain on the front of the book illegally equiped? He is holding what I guess is either a Repeater Handgun or Repeater Pistol, but as far as I'm aware he can't equip that... O_o

just run them as outriders- there a great unit, and yes pictures in books arn't anything to go off

and vollyguns are great, just give them an engineer to keep them from misfiring, and allowing it to hit more offen

Nice! Congrats

thanks!