Would Roboute Guilliman still be conscious with in the stasis field?

[boli]

I guess I should have followed on that train of thought. Personal theory:

He's healing because it's a trivial flesh wound for him. But to the early Ultramarines, it would have been fatal, so they just rushed to save his life by placing him in stasis. However, even at the peak of the Imperium, the technology behind stasis devices wasn't perfect, stopping just short of achieving perfect stasis. This is why photons can get in and out, that is why dreadnoughts and various other individuals wake up from stasis with vague recollections of dreams, and this is why Guilliman's wounds appear to be slowly healing over the past 10.000 years, when he could have probably bragged about the scar half an hour later if left to recover.

Kind of a fate worse than death...

Well if it is an imperfect statis as far as he is concerned the last 10,000 years would pass by in a very short amount of time so it won't be torture as unless Primarch's Minds are free to wander the warp his mind like his body would be stuck in a instant taking 20,000 years to blink. Even if he wanted to stand up and walk out healed it could take him 100,000 years to think "this chair is cold I'm getting up".

However if his mind is free to wander the warp and is separate from the body it does give possibilities to what the emperor has been doing for all this time as I doubt he's sitting in his throne going "I'm bored!". It does seem somewhat amusing that the Emporer (and arguably his successor) are both sitting on thrones; the other primachs are either missing/dead/chaos.

[Pilgrim]

Agreed.

If time is effectively frozen within the field, then nothing happens at all within it. The moment the field is dropped, the person within it would perceive there having been absolutely no passage of time between the instant he was trapped and the instant he was freed.

Which could, in itself, cause insanity, or at least a jarring psychological shock after long stasis. Imagine being in stasis for decades, or being transported while in null-time. By your own perceptions, your surroundings would instantly shift, either decaying years in seconds, shifting form, or changing from one location to another, all while your brain is telling you no time or distance have passed.

It is, in effect, the reverse of the kind of disorientation that must affect warp-entities when they are stuck in an environment far more static and leadenly circumscribed than they are used to.

[Lupe]

I thought, and I may be wrong, but wasn't the sword wielded by Fulgrim the Anathame? the same sword that very nearly killed Horus?
I seem to remember Horus giving him the sword when Fulgrim sided with him in the Heresy.

The problem is that, IF I remember correctly

Kor Phaeron stabs Guilliman with an Anathame blade at the end of Know No Fear, and it doesn't actually seem to do anything...

[All Cing Eye]

Yes it is called an Anathame blade, but it is not THE Anathame used on Horus. There prolly is a different level of potential lethalness.

[MvS]

And also, time will tell.

We don't know what the upshot of Phaeron's slice'n'dice will be. Perhaps the duel with Alpharius that ends with Guilliman's throat being slashed will echo back to Phaeron's attack. perhaps it won't heal, hence the reason they have to lock Guilliman in stasis.

Or perhaps Guilliman starts to behave erratically (ordering the Fleet to fire on Dorn for not submitting to the Codex Astartes quickly enough for instance). Who knows...

[The Devourer]

Im pretty sure that the ultramarine apothacaries know enough about their primarch to know if he is dying or not. While a cut throat may not kill him, fulgrim is the chosen of slaanesh and will have access to the worst poisons in existence. This combined with chaos corruption could easily make a normal wound fatal.

[Lothlanathorian]

It has been a very, very long time since I've read the first three HH books and they are the only ones I've read so, this question may seem a bit noobish, but:

Didn't the Anathame have to 'attuned' to the person you were going to be stabbing with it? Or was it that the one Horus was stuck with was The Anathame as opposed to an anathame?

[Nutter1st]

The problem is that, IF I remember correctly

Kor Phaeron stabs Guilliman with an Anathame blade at the end of Know No Fear, and it doesn't actually seem to do anything...

He used an athame, not anathame

Though I suspect the similarity between the names was meant to be deliberate, perhaps an athame being a scaled down/less lethal version of the anathame

[El_Machinae]

I think they're different root words, but combined in a rather clever way. A athame is a nifty dagger. An anathema is something despised.

[Hendarion]

Am I remembering wrong or is the 2nd Ed description of Statis weapons that they create tiny timeloops instead of halting time? If they do the former, the guy inside really lives through the same moments again and again, but isn't really "conscious" as such either.

[darth mortis]

Wasnt it fulgrim that slashed guilimans throat with the same blade that nearly killed horus? I remeber horus giveing that poison blade to fulgrim in one of the HH books but cant remember which.

As far as the stasis field goes I like the idea that it flickers every now and then so time does affect whoever is inside but only for a second or two which could give the impression that the wound was healing but very very slowly and could also be a similar case for the golden throne?

[MvS]

Fulgrim?

I thought it was Apharius, although that's from the old Index Astartes I think.

[Lupe]

Fulgrim?

I thought it was Apharius, although that's from the old Index Astartes I think.

Fulgrim was the one in the old IA as well.

Also from the old IA, Guilliman killed Alpharius...

[MvS]

Ah, I must be mixing it up. I remembered (obviously wrongly) a duel where Alpharius and Guilliman squared up rushed at each other, passed each other, only for Alpharius to die while Guilliman just toppled over, alive but with a slashed throat.

I'm either making up my own stories or blurring several together.

[Lupe]

I'm either making up my own stories or blurring several together.

Don't care which one, mate... I like your version more

[Lothlanathorian]

Ah, I must be mixing it up. I remembered (obviously wrongly) a duel where Alpharius and Guilliman squared up rushed at each other, passed each other, only for Alpharius to die while Guilliman just toppled over, alive but with a slashed throat.

I'm either making up my own stories or blurring several together.

Definitely confusing 40K with some sort of samurai anime there, mate

[Baron Spikey]

The Alpharius/Guilliman battle was where they squared up and, seemingly, struck at the same time and when they paused after that initial clash Alpharius slumped to the ground.
The Fulgrim/Guilliman battle was unseen by the UM as a billowing cloud of musk obscured events just as the 2 Primarchs reached each other- when the musk cleared Fulgrim was gone and Guilliman was dying on the ground with his throat slashed.

[DietDolphin]

The Alpharius/Guilliman battle was where they squared up and, seemingly, struck at the same time and when they paused after that initial clash Alpharius slumped to the ground.
The Fulgrim/Guilliman battle was unseen by the UM as a billowing cloud of musk obscured events just as the 2 Primarchs reached each other- when the musk cleared Fulgrim was gone and Guilliman was dying on the ground with his throat slashed.

This is correct. The Alpha legion were outplaying the Ultramarines so Guilliman went against codex precedent and just charged up the middle at Alpharius. The squaring-up and charging at each other still happened, but only Alpharius was killed (however even other Ultramarines deny this and claim it wasn't Alpharius, conspiracy!). The funny thing is, after this the Alpha legion went all kickass and won the war anyway.

Apparently Fulgrim hasn't been seen since he beat Guilliman. Both the imperial and noise marines are trying to find his crazy perfect daemon world where he experiences pleasure (note: has sex) 24/7. He doesn't really need to come back though, 10000 years and his Primarch killing record still holds.

[Sai-Lauren]

Am I remembering wrong or is the 2nd Ed description of Statis weapons that they create tiny timeloops instead of halting time? If they do the former, the guy inside really lives through the same moments again and again, but isn't really "conscious" as such either.

Don't know about 2nd edition, but Johnny Alpha in Strontium Dog certainly had one of those.

In all references I've seen about Stasis fields, they basically stop time completely in an area (delta-S = 0 if you like ) , which is why they're used to protect marine fortress-monastary magazines and the like. There's a good fluff piece in 1st edition epic where there's a lasbolt frozen in a statis field, which has been fired at an enemy command land raider, with the assault marines using it's anticipated disappearance as the signal for them to assault the vehicle, kill everyone inside and run off with the battle plans.

Thus, anyone caught in one, would simply be caught between instants - there'd be no brain function because there's no movement of electrons along the neurones, so they wouldn't be concious whilst the field was on.

That person's soul on the other hand - well, depending on what you believe about it, that's potentially an entirely different kettle of fish...

[Lord Damocles]

Am I remembering wrong or is the 2nd Ed description of Statis weapons that they create tiny timeloops instead of halting time? If they do the former, the guy inside really lives through the same moments again and again, but isn't really "conscious" as such either.

Stasis Grenades seem to work in much the same way. According to the 2nd edition Wargear Book (pg.74), the immediate area of effect is 'trapped in a single moment', and the target 'is condemned to relive the same instant time and time again'.

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