Yeah, I tried using their old washes but it never came out quite right on white. always made it too grey looking and left that film. Eventually I resorted to just going over the repainting the flat surfaces white after applying a wash, but it takes so much effort. Maybe their nuln oil shade will work a little better.Originally Posted by Paul 8v
Of course, I'm new to all this, so I could just be using the shades/washes wrong. how do you apply it on white?
no, Seriously though, did anybody else see that? It was like a midget, except it was allot bigger, and it didn't scare the piss out of little kids.
I say stick with Gate Keepers. It rolls off the tongue well and is descriptive without being overly specific. When you start over thinking just for the sake of sounding erudite, you can easily end up with a bit of a silly name. I think it's best to think of names heraldically, that is, where you have to convey alot of information in a very small space, using symbolism more than outright description. For this reason, Gate Keepers has a great ring to it... everyone knows exactly what you mean.
From a pronunciation standpoint, you've got one syllable followed by two, so it comes off as Da-Dade... this puts you in the company of the Dark Angels, World Eaters, Black Templars, Black Consuls, Black Dragons, Blood Angels, Blood Ravens, Flesh Tearers... etc.
Symbol is great. Go with it.
Colour scheme is likewise good. I'd still advise a metallic to go along with the green and white, though, just to keep visual interest and to breakup some of that white. I'd suggest either boltgun metal or dwarf bronze on the exhausts (put green on the top backpack panel above the head?), aquila, unarmoured inside joints, and of course the mouth grille. It also might be nice, although a little more time intensive, to swap colours on the kneepads and elbows, just to avoid making the model seem overly segmented (green knees, white elbows. All in all, I'm sure you'll work it out.
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The one I used was a green shade over a white basecoat on a high elf, litterally just put it on the shield and it ran into all the detail leaving a green tinge, it looked really good. I'm not sure what the staff at Games workshop are like in your neck of the woods but where I am they'll hapilly give you a tutorial on how to use it, just ask next time you're in store (NEw paints are out here on Saturday, not sure when you'll get them)
No games workshop in michigan as far as I know. I know of a local games shop that mostly deals in 40k and warhammer, but no demos or anything. If I want the new shades Ill probably have to order from the website and pray they work well. Did the white get kind of a greenish hue though? or did all the pigment work its way into the detail?
no, Seriously though, did anybody else see that? It was like a midget, except it was allot bigger, and it didn't scare the piss out of little kids.
on some of the test models I painted the the aquilas silver or gold metalic, but It just didn't work, I think it drew too much attention to the center of the mini. what I'm trying now is dry brushing a little silver over the soft armor, to give it a slightly worn mechanical look. but I do like your idea of alternation knee/elbow pads. Perhaps I could used different elbow/knee pad colors or segmentation as a way to distinguish between different squads?
no, Seriously though, did anybody else see that? It was like a midget, except it was allot bigger, and it didn't scare the piss out of little kids.
The one I used worked it's way in nicely. It hink the trick is to paint it where you want the shade to be rather than over the whole model. To be honest I'm not the worlds greatest painter, there's probably some guys that can advise better than me. i think the idea behind the new paints is it's an easier system to use if you're a novice, they've got colour systems that work well together so there will be a set of complimentry paints to do white as far as I can work out
<br><br>The one I used worked it's way in nicely I think the trick is to paint it where you want the shade to be rather than over the whole model. To be honest I'm not the worlds greatest painter, there's probably some guys that can advise better than me. I think the idea behind the new paints is it's an easier system to use if you're a novice, they've got colour systems that work well together so there will be a set of complimentry paints to do white as far as I can work out
Two things:
1: I kid you not, as soon as I read about the symbol you chose I thought "Gate Keepers"
2: I'm Catholic, and I'm not familiar with the crossed keys motif, so I wouldn't be too worried about it. (I do however associate crossed keys with Navy Storekeepers)
As for the color, I like the green & white, although I'm fond of the Spartans myself (sorry). I can see why you might be hesitant to up the UM colors though since blue is done to death and Yellow is tough. Although if GW is to be believed, the new Yellow glaze could be an easy application over a white primer.
The only game store I know is in Lansing too (21st Century games), so that's probably of no help to you, but the website says there's a Games Workshop store in Hampton Village about 40 miles to your NE.
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I will just go ahead and put in another "aye" for Gate Keepers (if you haven't already decided on it). I am glad you liked the idea of the Dark Angels tie. I think it would work well, and seeing as you incorporate green in your army, it makes for an even better fit.
And I bet there is a gate somewhere to a dimension or planet or whatever that the Dark Angels, nor anyone else, want opened, so there you have it, Gate Keepers. Who are your regular opponents? If it's Daemons and Chaos Marines, you have your setting right there as well. Plus, imagine the possibilities for scenery building, if you want a themed board.
And as far as keys go in terms of modeling, ask around if people have some Flagellant key bits left. They have the PERFECT key for it, especially for flat surfaces, though I am sure with a bit of work you could bend them as well.
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Yeah, I feel like anything painted in maize and blue would be a little too close to ultramarines for comfort. Being original is the point of making a chapter, and the ultramarines are kind of the antithesis of original, so yeah, blue is completely overused.
Yeah, I think I'm probably gonna go with Gate keepers. Most people seem to think it works, and it was the first idea that came to me (and apparently to Muninn also, haha) so that's gotta be worth something.
Also, I'm planning on ordering a bunch of those keys from thewarstore.com. I was thinking that on a commander, rather than adding those roman looking leather strips around the should pad, I could have a bunch of keys/chain hanging there. I think it'd be really cool looking and not too hard to do either. what do you think?
no, Seriously though, did anybody else see that? It was like a midget, except it was allot bigger, and it didn't scare the piss out of little kids.
I think it would work easily. So you are going to order the key bitz online, right? No Empire players in your area? I think you get quite a couple in each Flagelant set and most people will have bought at least four sets for a regiment. But I suppose ordering them online takes the hassle of hoping for it away. Good luck. Do show us pics when you have some ready.
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Not a lot of anything players in my area. besides, for $1 per key (plus 7 or 8 other flaggalent bits) I wouldn't mind ordering them, atleast for the chapter master. you I definitely will, maybe Ill start a project log, not sure though, I'm absolutely new to minis and I think my painting is kind of rough.
no, Seriously though, did anybody else see that? It was like a midget, except it was allot bigger, and it didn't scare the piss out of little kids.
What I've got so far:
Name: I'm going to stick with "gate keepers." The consensus seems to be that the name fits. People have said that it fits the symbol well, Is vague enough for a good story to be attached to it without being overly descriptive, and that It has that "meaty and pompous" quality that chapter names should have.
Symbol: I'm going to stick with the symbol as well. Every seems to like it, plus it's not something you really see with a ton of space marines, as opposed to say... fists, so It seems fairly original, atleast for a chapter symbol.
Paint scheme: the first person I play who mentions MSU is gonna get a complimentary can of whoopass... probably not, but I am going with the green and white. It's simple enough that it should be fairly easy to paint, but I am going to have to practice my painting, white armor is being a paint in the ass.
Chapter origin: Dark angels successor
Now, there are still a few things I need to decide on. The first, is the way in which I should distinguish between squads. I was thinking, It could be cool to incorporate roman numerals into the chapter emblem on the left shoulder pad (Examples below). I know a lot of people go with knee pads, but I'm not sure that would work well with the paint scheme, and I also think the logo really lends itself to this kind of thing. what do you all think?
Also, I'm not sure about what kind of fluff to add to my army. I'm definitely leaning towards the idea of protecting something, perhaps an area of space or some kind of forbidden or dangerous knowledge, but I'm not sure exactly what.
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no, Seriously though, did anybody else see that? It was like a midget, except it was allot bigger, and it didn't scare the piss out of little kids.
If they are Unforgiven (DA successors) then of course they'll be protecting the knowledge of the Fallen.
I do like the idea of them protecting a certain stable region of space from incursions, either from the Eye or other enemy region.
There was a lot of emphasis on the area around the remains of Caliban during the 13th Black Crusade as I remember. You could have your chapter guarding a region between the eye and Caliban, ostensibly on sentry duty hunting the Fallen that come out through small stable warp tunnels.
In sum, with the DA background, you can easily do BOTH.
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Defenders of terra guarding the "gate to the warp" that is the emperor?
or maybe galactic space wardens =p
Keys should actually be easy enough to find I'd imagine...
not sure why this reminded me of it, but the scene in dune where they have plugs to their hearts... like they all have keys to each others geneseed or something strange like that, armor housing the geneseed or something with a lock on it..., or in the chest etc (ala grey knight terminators, but rather than a book, whatever you wanted)
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Ok given the Dark Angels succession and the key symbol, you could go with something pertaining to the Roman god Janus. Janus was associated with doorways and beginnings and often also associated with duplicity (he was pictured with 2 faces) which would fit in rather well with the Dark Angels.
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I agree with everything so far. The name is cool, the color scheme works although like a few other people mentioned a good white is hard to pull off. Being a successor of the Dark Angels would make sense given the colors and the overall theme of the army. I am wondering who your Chapter Master will be? Are you going to theme them after the Dark Angels and use the Space Marine Codex or are you going to use the Dark Angels Codex all around? A version of Deathwing with a bunch of Storm Shields would definetly tie in with the "Gatekeeper" theme. Also if you use the Space Marine Codex you could always model the commander after Lysander.
I'm actually Basing my army off what I saw on the cover of the Dark angels codex, Lots and Lots of dudes waving swords around, but using the black templars codex because I feel it is more geared towards the idea of giving a bunch of dudes melee weapons and charging. I'm also magnetizing my entire army, so I can also re equip all my marines if I want, so that strategy is not permanent. I haven't really thought about a chapter master yet. Honestly, I'm completely new to this whole game and am not really sure what will work or not work when it gets to actually playing, so right now I'm just focusing on trying to make an army I'd like to have more than an army that might win a lot. I was thinking of maybe giving my chapter master a chaplains skull mask, that way I can use them as my chapter master, or as a chaplain, depending on what I feel like doing. Can chaplains become chapter masters? Is that possible given the 40k fluff?
And you're right, white is a big pain. So far I've found that it's easier to fill in shadows by going over those areas with a light grey, rather than trying to use washes, but it's still not as quality as I'd like. At this point I have neither the number of paints, nor the skill to paint a model I'd be happy with, but luckily summer is only a week or two away and I'll have the time to work on it.
unfortunately though, I might have to strip the paint from the models I have made at some point so I can redo them. I'll post a photo of one that I've done soon.
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no, Seriously though, did anybody else see that? It was like a midget, except it was allot bigger, and it didn't scare the piss out of little kids.
It is not standard procedure for Chaplains to become Captains or Chapter Masters. BUT, with 1000 chapters deployed, there's odds that at least one follows that procedure. After all there's an official home grown chapter that allows Psykers to be promoted to that role, so why not the more reliable Chaplains.
Black Templar and Dark Angels are currently the only codecies that allow for a 3 wound Chaplain, so that part can easily match up. Just remember that the BT codex doesn't provide for Librarians, and larger forces must deploy the Champion (in your case, I'd call him either the Keymaster or Lion's Champion).
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Perhaps each brother is presented with a key upon full initiation into the chapter, and each time he is promoted closer to the Inner Circle* there are tests that he must face; the key not only being abstract, but a required object to progress past these tests. When a brother dies, his key is then presented to whichever new initiate (i.e, once he's ascended past the scout company) was implanted with his geneseed. Until this point, the keys are kept in trust by the chaplains in a reliquary.
Through this, you could work a kind of reincarnation metaphor into your fluff; the 'M' on the key meaning 'millennium' or simply 'thousand', with each key representing a shard of the whole. This whole being something divine, or relating to their Primarch/the Emperor. This does imply a hierarchy limited by genetics, so the Chapter Master has the same geneseed and key as the first etc, and would be groomed for this role by the clandestine Chaplain order.
*Assuming you're going with Dark Angel successors.
On the topic of a Chaplain/Chapter Master, sure. It's non-Codex, but perfectly reasonable if you can justify it. Running with the context of my above suggestion, the Chapter Master (being the avatar of the whole and keeper of the first key) may not only be the premier warrior, but also the embodiment of the chapter's spiritual virtue etc.
I use a similar concept with my Word Bearers, though with 'words' instead of keys.
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