2000 WE vs 2000 VC (with pictures)

[thrawn]

first off i have too say that this battle report was not fair for my opponent. he told me his army list about 2 weeks before the game, so i tweaked some of my magic items and it ended up being way to over powerful. here are the lists.

His VC

Ghould King
Sword +3 attacks
2+ ward against flaming jewel
potion of strength
red fury
maybe something else

Vampire BSB
barded steed
hvy armour
lance
sheild
red fury
flaming banner

Vampire LVL 2
lore of metal
barded steed
hvy armour
shield
lance
red fury

39 ghouls

20 zombies
std. mus

20 zombies
std mus

5 wolves

17 woves

6 blood knights
mus. std.
standard of blood keep? (4+ ward against shooting)


My WE list

Lord
alter kindred
ASF sword
helm of hunt
potion of strength
annoyance of nettlings
LA, S

LVL 3
Dispell scroll

BranchWraith
1+ despell dice

BSB
great eagle
spear
2+ armour save
2+ ward against flaming attacks (fire gem?)

Hero
great eagle
LA, S, spear
helm of dragon? (10 points, 1+ to armour save, 2+ ward against flaming)
dawn stone

11 dryads

11 drayds

10 dryads

18 archers
mus. std.

5 scouts

treeman

Great eagle


so if you've been reading carefully you'll see that i got 2 hero's on GE with 2+ ward against flaming attacks. i was going to use both of them to tie up his 700 point blood knights with BSB.

we played the scenario where you cut the table at a 45 degree angle? know which one? anyways, i deployed first, then him, i was in a rush as i had to go home, so i rushed him a bit here too.

i deployed (from left to right) scouts in front of one unit of dryads, other dryads beside them in forest, both heros on GEs with archers behind (mage with archers) and my lord and treeman on the right flank.

he had (from my left to my right) 5 wolves, his blood knights with vampire, big unit of wolves with LVL vampire, zombies, zombies, ghouls with ghoul king.

Turn 1

VC turn:
he goes first, moves everything up (a little too cautiously i think). magic nothing.

WE turn:
i move up also cautiously. my great eagle moves behind one unit of zombies. i shoot almost everything at his large block of wolves and kill 5.



Turn 2

VC turn:
moves his LVL 2 vampire with blood knights (this was a mistake but he couldn't have known that at the time, he was trying to keep his vampire save from my archers). declares charge with wolves into my scouts, i flee, he fails to redirect so they're stuck there. again he moves up cautiously? i did not understand this but was happy as i was able to dictate the flow of the whole game.



WE turn:
i declare charges. this is where he was caught off guard. both my heros charge his blood knights. he's thinking i'm insane as they will get eaten alive, but he doesn't know i have 2+ ward against flaming attacks on both my heros. i declare a charge with my lord into his ghould king (i made a small mistake here) and so does treeman. dryads fail to make charge against 5 lone wolves way off alone.

my lord drinks potion of strength and i'm about to teach his vampire a lesson (he's been boasting about how his ghould king will kill anything before it even has a chance to attack) and accept swith his ghast!?!?!?!? i'm like why? he says he's worried cause i drank potion of strength. now i'm worried as PoS only lasts one phase! he instead kills my treeman with his ghould king (poor treeman didn't even get a chance to attack) and my lord cuts his ghast into ribbons (5 wounds). i lose, take a LD test on 7 but pass! he holds.

one hero declares a challenge against his BSB. he accepts. i attack, i think maybe inflict a wound, but not a big deal. he attacks back, is happy as a pig in $hit when he inflicts like 9 wounds, but then is shocked when he realises both have 2+ ward save against flaming attacks (which his whole unit has thanks to flaming banner on BSB). i save everything! i win by like 1 or 2, a couple more crumble. he is pi$$ed!!!



Turn 3

VC turn:
he tries to flank my heros with wolves but doesn't have charge arc. everything else shuffles up.

my heros continue to win by 1 crumbling another 50 point blood knight. no wounds back.

it gets interesting. i declare a challenge with lord, has to accept with ghould king. i get a bit lucky and inflict 2 wounds. he gets made when he realises he needs 6s to hit (annoyance of nettlings!). he only inflicts 2 back. MY LORD IS STILL ALIVE!!! take a LD test on 7, pass (whew). i got one more turn to kill him.

my heros continue to nibble away at his vampires and blood knights. he has like 2 left i think by this point.



WE turn:

position my dryads to cut off his zombies/wolves from reaching my glade gaurd. i made the best move of the game here (i think) by moving my LVL 3 closer to my lord. wasn't sure what i was going to do, but did it anyways.

magic phase, cast 3+ attacks and 3+ strength on my lord, he fluffs his dispell attempt!! my lord inflicts a monstrous 6 wounds on his ghould king! we go to my heros, i get lucky and finish off the rest of the blood knights and his 2 vampire heros! my dryads crash into his zombies, mauling them, my other dryads kill his large unit of wolves (easily) and my other dryads kill the last unit of wolves (easily). he has one strong unit of zombies left and a small dieing unit, with no characters left



he calls it here.

WE massacre!

I lost treeman and 1 drayd.

he basically lost his whole army.


i have to emphasise at this point that i did tool up my character specifically to fight his army. plus with the knowledge of what magic items he had, i definitely had an advantage. however, even with that said, this list has served me well and i did not completely revamp it for this game, thus proving WE can be competitive!

also, somewhere in there i rallied scouts and archers killed some woves/zombies. whatever . . .

[thrawn]

pics of last turn with blood knights dead and ghoul king dead.

[warplock]

At first I thought it quite unfair, obviously, but I suppose if he told you what list he was going to use well in advance, was happy to play you without knowing your list, and didn't change anything, he deserved to be mauled!
One thing - I got the sense that you activated your potion of strength after you charged - it has to be activated at the start of the turn. Maybe it's just the way you described it, in any case it didn't affect anything. Also, after your Lord killed his ghast, the next round you challenged again, and you said he had to accept with his ghoul king. Did his ghoul king have Dread Knight (+2 WS, he would be WS8)? If not, why did his ghoul king have to accept?

[thrawn]

Warplock, your right he did not HAVE to accept, but if he didn't I would have been killing ghouls left and right and most likely held for a long time. To tell you the truth I was a bit worried he wouldn't accept and then he would have worn my lord down but he did accept so whatever.

Also, you are right, I was suppose to drink potion of strength at the beginning of the turn, but it would have made no difference as he's undead and can only hold. So long as he knew before combat/challenges are announced it makes no difference.

[bluemage]

It would make a difference if your lord failed his charge.

It seems like your opponents lack of knowledge about the wood elf magic items really benefited you, along with your knowing his list and tailoring yours to counter it. When you take these two things into account I don't believe it proves wood elves as competitive at all.

I've found with most battle reports I've read about which are wood elves vs some other army, the wood elves tend to do well because their opponents are running very unbalanced lists and have a real lack of knowledge concerning the wood elf book.

[Domandi]

I am sorry, but this whole battle leaves a bad taste in my mouth. It is pretty poor form to tailor your list specifically to beat his list. How is that supposed to be fun for him at all? It is one thing to tailor your list vs VC in general, but to tailor to the list... I just dunno. Did you want a win that bad? Did this guy make you mad or something? Honestly, you would have been better off not playing it at all seeing how much of a rush you were in. You seem to know alot about the game, couldn't you have made a more generic list even tho you knew what he would bring?

[Feefait]

Seems like the VC player would have a legitimate battle to put into the "most boring battle ever" thread over in general. I appreciate the report but don't quite see the point. And if you are rushed enough to force his deployment then you shouldn't have time to be taking pictures or chronicling the report. I know when I do one it is only in games where we have the time for me to write things down. I will never rush my opponent esortingbecause I am in a time crunch AND I want to brag about a victory.

I am glad to see WE win. it's just how it happened. i think WE actually have plenty of tricks to pull out a good victory against VC's without some of the tricks you used. I'd like to see what happens in the rematch...

*edit
I'd like to add that if the VC player had this list done so far in advance he should have deployment figured out as well. Plenty of time for tactics. i know the scenario probably put a wrench in things, but it's not that big of a deal.

[madival]

I gotta go with everyone else. I have never seen anyone write a list counters, even in 40k. I have seen army counter and mission counter lists, but to write a list counter just seems stupid and in poor taste

[Malorian]

To be fair, what was the VC player thinking sending his him list so far in advance in the first place?

Was he bragging and thus brought it on himself?

Is this a typical thing he does and should stop? (It's hard not to work in counters if you already know what you are up against.)

More of this story needs to be told.

[thrawn]

The Story:

we ahve a regular playing group, guys that i've known since high school. basically we've all grown up together, from our first girlfriends to now us having our kids all about the same time. my best friends.

we love to talk smack. we brag about how great our armies are vs. everyone elses and how we can customize the better list.

my friend started VC (was playing Tomb Kings before) and could not stop talking about how he could put together a list that was unbeatable. his list would beat anyone and everyone. so i asked him what it was (this is also not unusual as we discuss magic item combos, magic combos, etc) so he told me, so i decided that my sisters of battle (as that's what he calls my WE) was going to take his unbeatable list to the cleaners. and it did.

so, was this done fairly? obviously not. are we enemies? of course not, talked to him just yesterday and we're already planning a rematch apr 29th. did i feel bad about it? yes, and i stated that in the thread.

[Malorian]

See, one friend has a list that he brags is unbeatable (can defeat ANY list) and OP makes a list that beats him to defeat the claim rather than so much the army.

Case closed.

[datalink7]

Don't feel too bad. He cheated by having Lore of Metal on his Vampire, an illegal move since he also had red fury so couldn't get forbidden lore (though, I can't see lore of metal being too useful against WE anyway). :P

[thrawn]

Don't feel too bad. He cheated by having Lore of Metal on his Vampire, an illegal move since he also had red fury so couldn't get forbidden lore (though, I can't see lore of metal being too useful against WE anyway). :P

no sorry, maybe my battle report was not well written, he had the 2 vampires, one was BSB with red fury, other was just a regular guy with forbidden lore with wolves. lore of metals was obviously not useful against WE, but his list was suppose to be a take all comers.

[Domandi]

Ahhh, that explanation changes everything. Thank you for that. A little humble pie between friends is never a bad thing.

[Enarion]

Not the best list for VC's. you can take 4 zombie hordes for core, and fill your special with hard hitters like grave guard. Move behind the wall of zombies and pin everything down with them (they wont break anyway, and they are with to many to be wiped out), and flank with hard hitters. Hexwraiths go for any warmachines en magic supports dieing zombies or hard hitters.

No chance for our poor shooty wood elves

[Feefait]

hehe Yea a little more information would have helped. Let me rewrite your intro:

"So one of my friends was getting all cocky with his vampires. Claimed to have an unbeatable list. Went so far as to even show me his list. So i decided to take my lowly Wood Elves and teach him a lesson in smack talk. Here's how the beat down went down:"

If I had known this from the beginning I would have cheered you on! Gratz. lol

[Aemir]

Lore of Metal is very dangerous to Wood Elves - the hardest units (Treeman and Treekin) are flammable, 3+ and 4+ to be wounded from metal spells, no saves. In 2k+ games there allways will be some big nasty trees.