Lol, I've had a lot of fun strapping that ax to a goblin lord on a giant spider and using him as a one shot cruise missle.Originally Posted by Da_White_Orc
Lol, I've had a lot of fun strapping that ax to a goblin lord on a giant spider and using him as a one shot cruise missle.
I use almost all the items in the Orc n Goblin book and find them all to be very good.
The axe of da last whaaagh is awesome, put a black orc warboss on a warboar with a shield and you have a 2+ save T5 character.
We should be happy tbh. Only 1 our of our 8 "new" items is downright useless (Gryphon-standard).
Ring of Volans and Mace of Helsturm are rather 'meh', but I can see uses for them.
The rest of the items can easily find their way into one list or another.
i've been running mork's war banner on my black orcs. devestating.
and the lichebone penant on 5+ ward savage orcs makes your two combat blocks basically 50% resistant to magic. a scroll of shielding and dispel scroll spread among your shamans and your opponent will be crying by the end of his first magic phase
will do thx
I like the new philosophy. I think the principle is sound.
But... I don't know that it was well executed in this case. Only 8-10 items per book? Great. But make them useful items. Empire have a really duff set of items.
Runefang - fine, really although it didn't really need to be one of the items. After all only the elector counts should have one. It could have been an equipment option for elector counts. It's just too expensive to bother with.
Mace of helstrom - ish. While similar to the previous incarnation, only D3 wounds makes it a good bit less dangerous.
Armour of meteoric iron - might be good for armies that don't have easy access to 1+ saves. Certainly a lot better than silvered Steel but it's still only got some fringe uses for empire.
Helm of the skavenslayer is cute but not very useful
White cloak of ulric is an excellent item, perhaps the best in the list. Some great combos (glittering scale is the most obvious).
VHS - less good than before but still solid.
Ring of Volans - a great item ... Until you realize it is one use only. Wait I pay 30 points for a random bound with the normal casting value and one use only?I don't get it.
Griffon standard. Yeah, not happening. Too expensive, too BSB only, too much not pursuing all for a measly potential 3 combat res? Pff.
Steel standard. Quite a nice standard. Me likely.
Having made a few lists, I'm not finding more than 3 of the items (white cloak, VHS, steel standard) have any real application. Worst set of magic items except perhaps orcs and goblins. Unless you count ogre big names, which are useless.
... and then I won.
If I might I'd like to disagree with this particular assessment. The Helm of the Skaven Slayer effectively allows empire to achieve a third 2+ Armor Save character on foot (the first two using the Dragonhorn Helm and Enchanted Shield Respectively).
I don't think that's too shabby for 15 points - adding in the bonus of causing fear (not huge I grant you but atleast saves you from him failing a test) and its a worthwhile buy for 15 points.
You're right, it isn't a bad little item. Causing fear isn't a bad thing at all, nor is another helm. But it says something if you're selecting it after an enchanted shield or dragon helm though.
... and then I won.
I guess its different strokes for different folks at that point as I regularly use the Dragonhorn Helm and the E. Shield is most lists (Empire or Otherwise). So to my mind the Skavenslayer Helm is in good company.
There may be cases where you'd prefer not to have a shield, like if you'd want 2 warriorpriests with great weapons or additional hand weapons, but would like to up their save at least a little bit.
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Yeah as I said, if I've already bought the enchanted shield and dragonhelm, I might plump for it for foot characters or mounted characters that have a great weapon and a spare 15 points burning a hole in my pocket. Not a rousing endorsement but situationally useful.
Anyway, it'd be nice if the items were more carefully considered. Particularly magic weapons, which for some reason seem to be consistently meh.
... and then I won.
My allocation of armour is pretty straightforward. The Arch Lector gets the armour of meteoric iron. My other warrior priest on foot gets the armour of silvered steel (both have great weapons) and the battle standard has full plate, the enchanted shield, and the dawnstone.
The mounted warrior priests leading great weapon knight units get by with heavy armour and barding.
Since the Runefang can be taken by a Templar Grand Master now and it's been reduced by 15 points, I can see it being of some use sometimes. Throwing in special characters now Empire can have four Runefangs on the field (although I'd always give Karl Franz his hammer).
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I d pay the 15 points for the fear alone on the helm L. Inq. I d take it over the enchanted shield. Depending on the rest of my list maybe before the dragonhelm
Have you people realized that the VHS bearer can't refuse to use it?
And i have a question. A wizard carrying volans ring with a beasts spell on it....can have a griffon as a mount? In my book it's worded something like "if the wizard knows lore of beasts spells, he can have a griffon...."
Certainly looks like it.
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That's the sword of justice, the sword of fate nominated one enemy and wounded them on a 2+ with no armour save doing D3 wounds. The mace of helsturm probably is designed to replace that.
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I had the idea the other day that maybe GW plan to release an 'item expansion' at a later date, perhaps a Tome of army specific items in each month's WD
if thats the case thats an increable loop hole- a death wizzard with doom and darkness and the extra terror ability for the griffon- well that could be some fun
Whilst listening to the cringe worthy interview with one of the designers of Monstrous Arcanum he said that they had included some SoM magic items as well as 'normal' magic items that can be used in normal games, also I kinda agree with the earlier post that all armies should have a section like other big names which will give us some character customise-ability but that's my 2p
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