Warhammer Fantasy: Atlanteans (Or adding greek units to warhammer)

[Tyranno1]

Hello warseers (Is that right? I have never used the plural of people who go on warseer before). Anyway...

So this is a an entire army list I have been working on and off for quite a while, just coming back every couple of months and tweaking it and making it better.

And before I post it I will give a quick rundown of exactly what this list is and how it "should" work.

Basicly one day while comparing a few warhammer armies to real world counterparts (Lizardmen=Aztecs, Bretonnia=Middle age Europe etc) I noticed that the largest source of monsters and myths wasnt present. So I decided why not make one up? And so thats the basic idea behind this army, to bring greek monsters (not already present) and real world units together in one list.

The army works around its worship of the gods, in a slightly different way to chaos. Certain units can take a blessing from a god granting them a buff for example. And their are a trio of items that change some of the available units, sounds odd now I think back over it. Another theme of the list is that there is only a single true infantry unit, hoplites. These guys form the main battleline and the variety of blessings let them be changed to suit different roles. And for basic infantry they are also very good.

If any of this sounds familier to you this is because I did post this before, a long long time ago.

Since this is quite a block of text I will split the unit types into seperate posts. And I will give a special rule rundown afterwards to explain new ones. So hold tight while I add stuff....

P.S. This is a complete work in progress, there are units with no points costs, abilities that may be broken, units that may be garbage, so please, if you have an idea let me know.

[Tyranno1]

I decided to post all the spcial rules up at the top, make them easier to find and referance too. (There are alot of rules for the special characters, I will only post them if asked, as their is alot of them and as far as I have seen special characters dont interest everyone)

Special rules:
Shield Wall: All units with this rule cannot gain a parry save with a hand weapon and shield, instead they get it for haveing a spear and shield.

Expert archers: Unit rerolls all 1s to hit with shooting.

Blazing Regeneration: 4+ Regen that is not effected by flaming attacks.

Belly bow: Units ranged attacks peirce ranks like a bolt-thrower, but only the front rank can ever shoot.

Confusion: Unit that kills a model with this rule in combat suffer from stupidity permanantly.

Fall back: Unit does not cause panic tests in friendly units when fleeing from a charge.

Petrify: A unit within 12" takes D6 hits per Gorgon in the unit. Units hit take an I test or lose a wound, no regen/armour saves allowed.

Call to the Gods (Commander only): Once per game at the beginning of your turn you may declare your Hoplite Champion is calling on the gods. He then takes a leadership test, if passed every unit within his Inspiring Presence range gains all the effects of the Hoplite Champion’s blessing until the end of the turn. If the leadership test is failed then the effect fails and cannot be used again this turn, but you may try again at the beginning of another turn.

Zeus’s Forgers: A Cyclops unit can declare before a charge to make all their attacks have the flaming attacks special rule. This lasts until they leave combat.

Royal Guard: Hetairoi carry different weapons and can pick before a charge which weapon they will use in that fight, once the combat starts they cannot change their weapons until they are out of combat. They carry two hand weapons and due to their training can gain the additional attack special rule from them. They also have better warhorses than usual.

Equipment:
Heavy Shield: Works like a normal shield, only it gives +2 to the wearer armour save instead of +1.





Ok here are the Lords, sorry that took a while, trying to figure out how to translate word to a forum post smoothly.

Bellerophon

Bellerophon M4 WS7 BS4 S4 T4 W3 I5 A4 LD10 Monstrous Cavalry
Pegasus M8 WS4 BS0 S4 T4 W1 I4 A2 LD6


Equipment: Blessing:
• Lance of lead Zeus
Special rules:
• Great Pride
• Monster Slayer
• The first Pegasus
• Armour of Order
• Heavy shield


Polythemus
M6 WS7 BS0 S5 T5 W5 I5 A5 LD8 Monstrous Infantry (Special Character)

Blessing:
• Poseidon
Equipment:
• Mace of Poseidon
• Shield of Poseidon
• Heavy armour

Special Rules:
• Fear
• Single eye
• First-born of Poseidon


Circe
M4 WS5 BS3 S3 T3 W4 I3 A3 LD9 Infantry (Special Character)
Equipment:
• Fauna Staff
• Hand Weapon

Magic:
Circe is a Level 4 Wizard. She uses spells from the Lores of Beasts, Life or Shadow.

Special Rules:
• Poisoned Attacks
• Mistress of Beasts
• Enchanting Beauty
• Daughter of Fire
• Hatred


Charon the Ferryman
Profile
Charon M4 WS5 BS2 S5 T3 W3 I2 A4 LD10 Infantry (Special Character)
Ferry M- WS- BS- S5 T6 W5 I- A LD- Chariot (4+Armour save)
Magic:-
Charon is a Level 1 Wizard. He uses spells from the Lore of Death.
Special rules:
• Fear
• Ethereal
• Immune to Psychology
• Hatred (Undead)
• “I claim this soul”
• Servant of Hades
• Boat of the Underworld

Equipment:
• The Reaper Paddle

Blessing:
• Hades



Commander Points: 110
M4 WS6 BS4 S4 T4 W3 I5 A4 LD9 Infantry (Character)


Equipment: Hand Weapon, Light Armour

Options: Armour:
• May be armed with one of the following:
-Spear……...…..3pts
-Great weapon…4pts
• May take Heavy armour*..4pts *Replaces Light armour
-Heavy Shield ...4pts
• May be mounted on one of the following:
-Barded warhorse…35pts
-Pegasus…………..50pts
-Griffon…………...200pts
-Behemoth chariot*.175pts
*Model with Blessing of Poseidon only

Blessing:
May choose any one blessing

Magic items:
Any up to a total of… 100pts

Special Rules:
Shield Wall
Call to the Gods


Demi-God Points: 200
M6 WS5 BS3 S5 T5 W5 I4 A4 LD10 Monster (Character)

Options:
A demi-god must take one of these options.
• Son of Zeus..........60pts
• Son of Poseidon...50pts
• Son of Hades........50pts

Equipment:
• Hand weapon

Special Rules:
• Offspring of a god


Lampades Points: 220
M5 WS3 BS0 S3 T4 W3 I3 A1 LD9 Infantry (Character)

Magic:
A Lampades is a level 3 Wizard. Blessing:
She can use spells from the lore of fire. May choose any one blessing

Options: Magic Items:
To a level 4 Wizard….35pts Any up to a total of…100pts

Special Rules:
• Confusion

[Tyranno1]

And onto the Heroes.
Perseus
M4 WS6 BS4 S4 T4 W2 I5 A4 LD9 Infantry (Special Character)
Special rules:
• Shield Wall

Blessing:
Blessing of Zeus, Hades and Hermes

Equipment:
• Winged Sandals
• Head of the Gorgon
• Athena’s Mirrored Shield
• Helmet of Hades
• Adamantine blade of Zeus



Chiron
M8 WS4 BS7 S4 T5 W3 I5 A3 LD9 Cavalry (Special Character)


Special Rules: Equipment:
• Sylvan training Armour of the forest, Becalming bow
• Strider: Woods
• Expert Archer
• Fast cavalry
• Focus shot



Medusa the Monster Queen
M6 WS4 BS7 S4 T5 W3 I5 A3 LD8 Monstrous infantry (Special Character)

Special rules:
• Terror
• Swiftstrider
• Poisoned attacks
• Scaly Skin (4+)
• Monstrous Leadership
• Horrific Gaze

Equipment:
• Toxic Bonebow
• Armour of Desecration





Hoplite Sergeant Points: 60
M WS5 BS4 S4 T3 W2 I5 A3 LD8 Infantry (Character)

Equipment: Armour:
Hand Weapon, Light Armour Heavy shield….3pts
Heavy armour*..3pts
Weapons(one choice only): *Replaces Light armour
Great weapon...2pts
Spear…………2pts Mount(one choice only):
Barded Warhorse...25pts
Blessing: Pegasus……….….50pts
May take any one blessing

Special Rules:
• Shield wall

Magic items:
Any up to a total of…50pts.



Temple Priest Points: 60
M4 WS3 BS3 S3 T3 W2 I3 A1 LD7 Infantry (Character)

Magic: Temple Priests are level 1 Wizards.
They can use spells from the lore of fire.

Options: May be upgraded to a level 2 Wizard for +35pts.
Magic Items:
Any up to a total of….50pts.

Blessing:
May be given any one blessing




Ancient Leader Points: 75
M8 WS4 BS6 S4 T4 W2 I4 A2 LD8 Cavalry (Character)

Equipment: Hand weapon, Heavy armour, Bow, Shield

Options:
• Great weapon….2pts
• Shield…2pts

Magic items:
Any up to a total of….50pts.

Special Rules:
• Strider: Woods
• Expert archer
• Fast cavalry

[Tyranno1]

Core Units. I have removed the champion profiles as they are creating alot of trouble fixing properly. Basicly Hoplite champions have +1 attack and Centaur and Peltast champions have +1 BS.

Hoplites Points: 6
Profile M4 WS5 BS3 S3 T3 W1 I3 A1 LD7 Infantry

Unit Size:
10+

Equipment:
Spear, Shield, Light armour


Blessing: May be given any one blessing.
Options:
• Upgrade one Hoplite to a Hoplite Captain for….10points.
• Upgrade one Hoplite to a standard bearer for…..10points.
• Upgrade one Hoplite to a Musician…………….10points.
-May take a magic standard worth up to…...25points.
• May replace their Shields with Heavy Shields…1point

Special Rules:
• Shield wall

Centaur Points: 20
M8 WS3 BS4 S3 T4 W1 I3 A2 LD7 Cavalry

Unit Size:
5+

Weapons and Armour:
Bow, Light armour, Shield, Hand Weapon

Command:
Upgrade one centaur to a Wise one……......15pts.
Upgrade one centaur to a Standard bearer…15pts.
Upgrade one centaur to a Musician for…….10pts.

Special Rules:
• Strider: Woods
• Expert archers
• Fast cavalry



Peltast Points: 7
M4 WS3 BS3 S3 T3 W1 I3 A1 LD7 Infantry

Unit Size:
10+


Weapons and Armour:
Javelin, Hand weapon, Shields

Blessing:
May be given a blessing


Command:
Upgrade one Peltast to a Peltast captain….10pts

Special Rules:
• Skirmishers
• Fall back

[Tyranno1]

Special Units. Same as the problem I had with core. Hippikon and Cyclops Champs have +1A, Gastrophetes Champs have +1BS.

Hippikon Points: 18
Hippikon M4 WS3 BS3 S3 T3 W1 I3 A1 LD7 Cavalry
WarhorseM8 WS3 BS0 S3 T3 W1 I3 A1 LD5 Cavalry

Unit Size:
5+

Blessing:
May be given any one blessing

Equipment:
Spear, Heavy armour

Additional equipment:
Shields*…….….2pts
Heavy shields*…4pts
*May not choose both
Barding…………5pts

Command:
Upgrade one Hippikon to a Hippikon captain….15pts.
Upgrade one Hippikon to a standard bearer……15pts.
Upgrade one Hippikon to a Musician………….10pts.



Hetairoi Points: 37
Profile M4 WS6 BS3 S3 T3 W1 I4 A2 LD8 Cavalry
Profile M8 WS4 BS0 S3 T3 W1 I3 A1 LD5 -
Unit size: 5+

Equipment:
Heavy Armour
Barding
Lance
Two Hand weapons

Blessing:
May be given any one blessing

Options:
Can have up to two champions rather than one.

Special rules:
• Devastating Charge
• Royal Guard



Gastrophetes Points: 18
Profile M4 WS3 BS3 S3 T3 W1 I3 A1 LD8 Infantry

Unit size:
10+

Equipment:
Crossbows, Heavy armour, Hand weapon

Command:
• Upgrade one Gastrophetes to a Gastrophetes Captain…15pts.
Special rules:
• Belly bow

Blessing:
May be given any one blessing



Cerberi*** Points: 55
M7 WS3 BS0 S5 T5 W5 I3 A3 LD5 Monstrous Beast


Unit size: 1

Special rules:
• Cause Fear
• S3 Breath weapon

Dragon Nymph** Points: 170
Profile M8 WS4 BS3 S6 T5 W4 I4 A5 LD8 Monster
Unit size: 1

Special rules:
Terror
Enchanting Beauty
Fly
Large Target
Scaly Skin 4+


Cyclops* Points: 35
Profile M6 WS5 BS3 S4 T4 W3 I3 A3 LD7 Monstrous Infantry

Unit size:
3+

Equipment:
Hand weapon, light armour


Command:
Upgrade one Cyclops to an Elder Cyclops.....20pts.
Upgrade one Cyclops to a Standard bearer....20pts.
Upgrade one Cyclops to a Musician………..15pts.

Additional equipment:
Great weapon…................6pts.
Additional hand weapon...6 pts.
Heavy armour*…3 pts
*Replaces Light armour
Shields…….……3 pts

Special rules:
• Single eye
• Cause fear


NOTE: You may have noticed some * by a couple of units. These are units that cannot be taken, unless offerings are made to thier respective god. The way this works is that you give 1 Temple priest in your army 1 of 3 free magic armours, these unlock different units. *Is Hades **Is Posiedon ***Is Zeus.

One last thing, there is no Special unit for Poseidon yet. I have run through many ideas, but none seem to feel right. If anyone has a good idea for a monster that fits please let me know, thank you =).

[Tyranno1]

Rare units and I will throw in the blessings and magic items too to finish this off.

Ballista Points: 45
(Basic Bolt thrower. Nothing special other than WS5 crew)


Up to two Ballista’s may be taken as a single rare choice.

Unit Size: 1 ballista and 3 Hoplite crew

Special Rules:
• Bolt thrower,


Phoenix Points: 100
M3 WS4 BS0 S4 T4 W3 I3 A2 LD8 Monstrous Beast

Unit size:
1

Special rules:
o Fly
o Flaming attacks
o Blazing regeneration


Gorgon*** Points: 70
M6 WS3 BS6 S3 T4 W2 I4 A2 LD7 Monstrous Infantry

Unit size:
1-3

Equipment
Longbow
Light armour

Special rules:
• Skirmishers
• Petrify
• Poisoned attacks (Including longbow)
• Scaly skin 5+
• Cause Terror



Behemoth Chariot** Points: 180
ChariotM- WS- BS- S5 T6 W5 I- A- LD- Chariot (Armour save 3+)
BehemothM7 WS3 BS0 S5 T- W- I2 A4 LD-
Hoplite CrewM- WS5 BS3 S3 T- W- I3 A1 LD7


Unit size:
1 scythed chariot pulled by 1 behemoth with 2 Hoplite crew

Equipment (crew):
Spears
Hand Weapons

Special rules:
• Chariot
• Cause terror
• Large target




Bronze Colossus* Points: 200
M6 WS3 BS0 S5 T7 W6 I1 A4 LD7 Monster

Unit size:
1

Equipment:
Hand weapon, Shield

Special rules:
• Cause terror
• Unbreakable
• Immune to psychology
• Immune to poison
• 5+armour save
• Large Target



Blessings:

Blessing of Zeus: All attacks made by the unit count as magical (Thinking of changing as its pretty bad). A mage with this blessing chooses from the lore of Heavens. 15pts for characters. 20pts for units.

Blessing of Poseidon: The unit has River Strider, Marsh Strider and Lake Strider. A mage with this blessing chooses from the lore of Life. 5pts for characters. 5pts for units.

Blessing of Hades: A unit in base to base contact with any amount of units with the blessing of Hades have -1 leadership. A mage with this blessing chooses from the lore of Death. 30pts for characters. 50pts for units.

Blessing of Apollo: A unit with this blessing treats any poisoned attacks used against them as normal attacks. A mage with this blessing chooses from the lore of Light.

Blessing of Artemis: A unit with this blessing can reroll its charge distance dice, the second result must stand even if it is worse than the first roll. The unit cannot use this reroll if a character without this blessing has joined the unit. A mage with this blessing chooses from the lore of Beasts.

Blessing of Hephaestus: The unit gets the armour piercing special rule for all close combat and ranged attacks it makes. A mage with this blessing chooses from the lore of Metal.

Blessing of Ares: Unit has the always strike first ability.

Blessing of Hermes: The unit adds +1 to any pursuit or flee dice rolls it makes. A mage with this blessing chooses from the lore of Shadows


Magic Items


Thunder blade 40pts
Magic Weapon
(Model with the blessing of Zeus only) Attacks made by this model reduce the targets ward save exactly as if it were an armour save (the enemy model still gets its armour save but reduced appropriately).

Stone lance 20pts
Magic Weapon
(Mounted character only) Lance. Model is not affected by ranged flaming attacks or breath weapons.

Oracle of Zeus Free
Magic Armour
(Temple priest only, this is an exception to mage’s magic armour restrictions)
Allows you to field Cyclopi and Colossi. Only one oracle may be taken per army. The Temple priest is also only allowed to take the blessing of Zeus.

Oracle of Poseidon Free
Magic Armour
(Temple priest only, this is an exception to mage’s magic armour restrictions)
Allows you to field ??? and Behemoth chariots. Only one oracle may be taken per army. The Temple priest is also only allowed to take the blessing of Poseidon.

Oracle of Hades Free
Magic Armour
(Temple priest only, this is an exception to mage’s magic armour restrictions)
Allows you to field Cerberi and Gorgons. Only one oracle may be taken per army. The Temple priest is also only allowed to take the blessing of Hades.

Golden apples 30pts
Arcane item
Declare its use at the beginning of your turn.
Wielder regains all lost wounds. (One use only)

Golden Fleece 70pts (General only)
Enchanted item
The model has +1 Leadership. When a model takes the Generals leadership they can be within 18” of him rather than 12”.

Wrath of Zeus 50pts (Units with the blessing of Zeus only)
Magic Standard
Bound spell. Power level 6
May use Forked lightning at 20” range.


Baccelenia standard 30pts
Magic Standard
The unit is frenzied.


Phew that took longer than I thought. I had to cut out bits of fluff to make this easier to read. So if you want to know more about something or dont quite know what something is in here for just ask.

[Tyranno1]

Ok I know nobody has replied yet but I have had an idea to help the Hoplite lord choice out (as combat characters, especially lord onews, kinda suck in 8th).

I was thinking of giving him an area buff based on his blessing, possibly a one use only ability, possibly just the same effect as the blessing, just affecting more units than just him.

Also I am considering makeing the Poseidon special unit Satyrs, but will need to make them as different as possible from beastmen.

Please feel free to comment or make sudgestions.

[Tyranno1]

Over 100 veiws and no comments? Oh well. At least I know people are looking at this.

Ok so I chatted with some other players to try and point out anything in here that was broken, most fingers ended up pointing at the special characters (no serprise there) and frankly they are pretty low on my priority list so will probably do them last, most dont have points values anyway so wont feature in early playtests.

A few other things, to reduce the number of non-god specific monsters I have removed the sphinx, who I always felt were a bit clumbsy and didnt fit the theme too well. Also with the tomb king sphinx it just generates confusion. So I will replace them with a second heavy cavalry unit called Hetairoi. What makes these guys different to the other cavalry taking the same slot? Well they will have all thier equipment pre-bought, so will be less customisable and more expensive. Also they are far more offensively minded, so much so they lack shields completly, making them a little fragile but very hard hitting.

And lastly on the new unit front there is the Dragon Nymph, which is the special posiedon unit. Based on the monster Echidna from mythology, these ones are supposed to look alot like female dragon ogre shaggoths with wings. With Monsters making thier way into other armies special slots I thought putting one in dosent seem so bad now.

Ability-wise the Cyclops have lost single-eye, mainly because it was broken. And will now have a new rule called Zeus's Forgers, which lets them make thier attacks flaming at will until the end of thier turn. Basically fluff-wise they built weapons alot like Zeus's and so can attract lightning bolts to them to gain a bit of thier power.

I have also toned down the Gorgons to just being D6 worth of shots, not a template attack.

Secondf ability change is the Hoplite Champions (who will be renamed to Commanders), basicaly their new ability lets them call to the gods for aid. Once per game they can take a leadership test at the begining of the turn, if they pass all friendly units withing their Inspiring Presence range gains all the effects of the Commanders blessing, allowing for once last heroic charge into battle. If they fail the test they can retake it on a later turn.

And thats all for now.

[Stephanavich]

As an idea for a Poseidon unit: Tide Riders.

War Beasts. Ethereal, Magical Attacks, Immune to Flaming Attacks, Body of Water, Stormy Seas, Tears of Poseidon.
M8 WS5 BS0 S4 T3 W1 I3 A2 Ld6 24pts

Body of Water:
If the unit is in, or partially in, a water feature (as agreed by both players upon terrain deployment), then this unit gains the Regeneration (4+) (this Regeneration is not negated by Flaming Attacks). If the unit is 6" or more away from a water feature, the unit gains the Unstable rule.

Stormy Seas:
Bound Spell (Power Level 6)
If successfully cast, place a lake feature no larger than 4" diameter partially or wholly within 6" of the unit. If the feature would go where a unit currently is, every model under the feature that does not have the Body of Water rule takes an initiative check. If failed, the model takes an automatic S1 hit.

Tears of Poseidon:
When this unit is destroyed through combat or shooting, roll 1D6. On a 1 or 2, nothing happens - remove the unit as normal. On a 3+ place a lake feature no larger than 4" diameter on the footprint that the unit would have had. If the feature would go where a unit currently is, every model under the feature that does not have the Body of Water takes an initiative check. If failed, the model takes an automatic S1 hit. After this, place the unit on top of/in the water feature. Then remove the unit of Tide Riders as casualties.

Everything's probably unbalanced, but hopefully there is something good there, and hopefully you like it!

[Tyranno1]

It seems to suffer from somethnig every unit I made had at one point suffered from, too much fluffiness. It has so much stuff about it thats fluffy that its either really weak or stupidly strong.

It seems you have worked very hard on this, but with ethereal and regen they are extremely tough, and near invincible if in water (makes sense though). Also they focus so heavily on water and for as long as I have played warhammer over the year I have played 1 game that had water features on it....

So while this is nice and I appriciate the effort, any opponent who would allow me to use a homebrew (and possibly broken) army list would probably draw the line at letting me have rarely used terrain out, purely to benefit me. This is also why I am looking to change the blessing of Poseidon to something else. (Most of the people at my local GW said they dont put water out becasue its annoying)

Another reason is that I already have a unit for Poseidon in the special slot, the Dragon Nymph, which lives underground and could easily be released by an earthquake (Poseidons department).

However. I do belive that I could try to use something like this as a magical mount for characters, probably giving them to all 4 infantry characters (actually letting my mages ride something), could use it as a monstrous cavalry option, replacing the behemoth chariot, who felt was a little wedged into the characters section.



On a quick note a few points values have been tinkered with (Mostly as a reaction to abilities changing) and this will probably be how they wil remain for my first playtest. I just have to write a list and build some models now...