The latest incarnation of the Empire Mortar rules dosnt state that the multiple wounds (d3) special rule is just under the centre hole like like other 'stone throwers' so does the entire template cause d3 wounds?
It does say that it is fired as a stone thrower so we could say that the special rules are for the centre hole only but does that mean Armour Piercing is also just for the centre and not the entire template?
It's just the model under the hole. The mortars multiple wounds (d3) is an amendment to the stone thrower's multiple wounds (d6).
If you look in the BRB, multiple wounds is clearly stated as its special rule (p114).
It's only in its rules for damage on p115 (which the mortar follows) that the distinction is made on how to use the multiple wounds rule.
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Originally Posted by the hivemind
What jimbob said.
It's a common misconception. I don't know why, but many people seems to think that the multiple wounds affects the whole template.
Though it only says that for the stone thrower rules. Other blast templates special rules seem to be for the whole template.
Ok so if the multiple wound special rule for the mortar is for the centre only whats to say that the armour piercing special rule is for the whole template and not just the centre hole?
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RTFM: does the BRB rules about stone throwers mention anything about others rules than multi-wound only working under the center hole ? No ? Then you have your answer.
A Stone Thrower only has the multiple wound special rule, nothing else. By that rationale then the Armour Piercing would just be under the centre hole too.
The difference is that the Stone Thrower Damage subsection in the rule book explains that the Multiple Wounds from a Stone Thrower only applies to the High Strength hit which only includes the model directly under the hole in the template. Page 115. There is no set of instructions explaining that the Armor piercing only affects the model under the hole in either the Mortar description or the Stone Thrower description so it affects the entire template. If it is described as firing like a stone thrower then you use all of the methods described in the rule book for shooting and damaging but you apply the profile provided by the model.
Oh, for crying out loud, people.
That is all.
The presence of parenthesis and subsequent lack thereof is your answer here. The strength under the central point is in parenthesis as are the Multi wounds rule. The armour piercing special rule is without parenthesis. This means that those rules within parenthesis apply together in addition or in place of those without.
Ergo, the D3 wounds apply only to the strength 6 hit of the central hole, and armour piercing applies to any hit made by the template.
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Yes it's an insanely stupidly phrased rule, doomed to be misunderstood. But yes, of course the multiple wounds rule only applies to the center hole.
Umm... this is not the reason. Multiple Wounds is always displayed with a set of parentheses.
The reason that Armour Piercing will affect everything while Multiple Wounds will not is that the Stone Thrower rules on p85 (4th paragraph of Damage) explicitly states that the Multiple Wounds special rule only affects the model under the centre. It does not state that this applies to any other special rule. So a stone thrower with Armour Piercing (mortar), Killing Blow (Scrap Launcher), or Flaming Attacks (magic Grudge Thrower) will apply these other rules to all of their hits.
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