Ku'Gath and Nurgling Infestation

[Winkie Jethro]

The rule plainly states that "At the beginning of any turn in which Ku'gath is on the table (not including the one when he arrives from Reserve), the player may roll a dice....."

So, can he summon bases in the opposing player turn?
In the BRB it states on page 9, "Whenever a rule uses the word 'turn', both in this rule book and in Codexes, it means 'player turn', otherwise it will clearly state 'game turn'."

the codex wording just says 'turn' not 'game turn'

so he comes in on my turn 2. Best case scenario. On the opposing players turn, I can summon a base on a 4+.

[Reggen]

Well, best case is he is out there your turn 1, since he can be in the first wave, thus making babies on your opponent's next turn. Yes, he makes the bases every turn, and I have used this against my friends daemons with KP's when he wasn't thinking.

[marv335]

No.
Player turn means your own turn.
You cannot spawn in your opponents turn.

[Reggen]

Sorry Marv, but I am sticking to one per turn, unless the codex has changed from the one my friend has, it simply say "turn" and not game turn, and using the GW faq,
The Turn
Q: What is meant when the term ‘turn’ is used? (p9)
A: Whenever the word turn is used it means player
turn. Otherwise it will clearly state game turn. In a
complete game turn both players get a player turn.
Hence one game turn will comprise two player turns.

Thus Big Poppa Nurgle can poop babies on your turn, and the opposing players turn.

[Winkie Jethro]

Same boat as Reggen. I even typed out all the wording. Doesn't say Game Turn anywhere...

[TheGreatDalmuti]

Marv, your turn means your player turn. Any turn means any player turn.

[DarthSte]

I've always read it in the same way as Marv. I guess it's a case of RAW vs RAI?

[TheGreatDalmuti]

But if RAI is any players turn, how could they write it? "Any turn". That is what it reads. If RAI was any of your player turns they would write "any of your turns" or "any of his turns".

[matt_17]

There is no raw v rai conflict here. He is clearly meant to make them every turn - yours and the opponent's. Anyone interpretting it otherwise isn't reading the rule properly.

[Empirespy]

there's even precedent, it uses turn in Psyker powers, and you can use Psyker powers in your opponents turn as long as it doesn't specify otherwise or is a shooting attack. Though I think that that is wrong, I think that it was intended to produce nurglings every player turn, both yours and your opponents.

[Winkie Jethro]

Well honestly it can be a win or lose idea.
IF it's a Kill point missing your going to choose NOT to use the ability.
and for the other missions, it's just a pain to have all these loose single bases running around

[Empirespy]

I thought that he had to produce them, so in a third of games he is just pumping out victory points, the other 2 thirds he's producing objective holders and takers.

[Tethylis]

"the player may roll a dice on behalf of the plaguefather"

Would seem to indicate that the player has a choice in the matter. Also since the nurglings he produces have the swarm rule they wont be able to hold any objectives, still useful for contesting and general harassment though.

[TheDoctor]

"the player may roll a dice on behalf of the plaguefather"

Would seem to indicate that the player has a choice in the matter. Also since the nurglings he produces have the swarm rule they wont be able to hold any objectives, still useful for contesting and general harassment though.

Oh, especially if you are doing an Epidemus list- now all of these single models running around are a danger to anything not in a tank. Evil laugh on standby.

[DoctorTom]

Just a question, when they say "the player" in that statement, is it referring to the player with Ku'gath in his army or the player whose turn it is? It looks like it could be either way just from what was quoted.

[Empirespy]

It doesn't matter really, just a kick in the teeth if you just make some uber model for your opponent when they're using epidemus...

[Winkie Jethro]

I think they meant 'owning player'

[veteransergeant]

I've always played it as rolling on just my turn, but on re-thinking it, I'd say it is definitely every turn aka *any* turn. I'll have to make some more nurgling bases...

Now, in an Apoc game, I'm assuming it would still be just 2 spawns per game turn, since you share turns, correct?

[Winkie Jethro]

hmm now THAT would be ponder question... Apoc does only have ONE turn type.