Which races are everywhere?

[Arnizipal]

Yeah so controlling greenskins didnt work out for them? You cant controll greenskins, not for long anyway.

Chaos Dwarfs seem fairly succesful keeping the other greenskins in line, thanks to their employment of hobgoblin slavers.
Takes a greenskin to guard a greenskin I suppose...

Of course, no other races means nothing feeding the Warp on this world means the daemons will probably just abandon the place to the greenskins.

Chaos can still feed on the emotions of greenskins I think (although it will be mostly anger).

[Naanomi]

Chaos Dwarfs seem fairly succesful keeping the other greenskins in line, thanks to their employment of hobgoblin slavers.
Takes a greenskin to guard a greenskin I suppose...

Chaos can still feed on the emotions of greenskins I think (although it will be mostly anger).

Not as laid out in current fluff (though it might just have been written out, who knows with GW); but Greenskins don't have a real connection to the Warp, and generate their own 'magic' from their shared group-dynamics instead of an actual connection to the Warp. Incidentally, they also don't dream because of it! I think with non-green souls gone, the daemons would move on or fade away.

[TheDungen]

Maybee it ended it in the empire, but i can bet you the orcs where somewhere else. While orcs like battle they're not stupid thay know better than attacking an untakable location.

[Urgat]

... What's with all the nonsense on orcs and goblins?

1) onG do grow from spores (7th ed BRB)

2) orcs and goblins are not orks and gretchins because they're different species, unlike orks and gretchins. Orks and gretchins come from the same spore, as do squigs and snotlings, in 40K, I believe? It doesn't work like that in Warhammer. You won't find a single orc in a night goblin or a forest goblin tribe, no matter how hard you look for them. They're separate species. Squigs were FOUND in caves by the first night goblins, they were already there. There's no genetic connection to the orcs and goblins. There is no logical "genetc trigger" either. Orcs can mingle with a previously all goblins tribe, and you won't see the orc branch disappear after a while because of a set trait or a reason in the geographical area. The diversity of tribes in the Badlands is clearly against the idea that greenskins are set to be this or that based on some weird gene agenda. A tribe of common goblins in the World's Edge Mountains will remain a tribe of common goblins even after several generations, as dwarfs still fight them occasionally.

3) orcs don't spontaneously grow where other orcs have been killed, because then any battlefield where there's been a battle against a greenskin army would basically be a new greenskin spawning place. It is not like that, taht is why there's no cycling greenskin infestation in Tor Yvresse or Nuln, for example. Orcs and common goblins mostly come from the Badlands, savage orcs from the southlands, night goblins from the World Edge Mountains, and forest goblins from the Forests. If they're territorial like that, it's clearly not just a matter of "I go there, I shed some spores! hop! more orcs".

4) OnG do grow from spores. That's right. It doesn't necessarily mean there's no sexual intercourse at all. Even plants have sexual reproduction. Remember your dad talking about bees and flowers?

5) orcs do have a particular way to access magic, based on how many of them there are in the vicinity. It is not new, it was already like that in the 4th ed book, it was actually translated into a pretty horrible rule. That doesn't mean, though, that this way doesn't connect to the aethyr. We just don't know. Orcs never had specific magic rules like dwarfs or tomb kings had. Couple special rules pasted on top, sure, but no rules that ignore the winds of magic. in taht case, since there's actually precedents, I do think it is relevant.

[6) the chaos gods probably don't get anything from greenskins, no soul, nothing. There is fluff about greenskins battling chaos, there is fluff about what's in the aethyr, there is fluff about the slain battling in the realms of chaos, and what happens to their souls. You find humans in those blurbs of fluff, lots of them. You find elves too, I'm pretty sure I even remember mentions of dwarfs and halflings. I don't remember ever reading about a single orc (or skaven for that matter). I believe their patron gods do get it all]
All that's pure conjecture based on absence of elements rather than existence of evidences. I don't claim on being right with that one.

7) on black orcs, greenskins in general, and chaos dwarfs, I don't know, because the fluff has certainly changed in the tamurkhan book. They certainly don't have access to greenskin slaves anymore in this list, at the very least.

8) there is no fluff at all suggesting that OnG would fear fire, for whatever reason, but especially not because it would prevent them from shedding spores. First of all, because, as pointed out repeatedly, there is no information at all about greenskin spores but ONE line in a previous BRB. Secondly, because the very notion that greenskins would care about their offsprings is... you know.

Maybee it ended it in the empire, but i can bet you the orcs where somewhere else. While orcs like battle they're not stupid thay know better than attacking an untakable location.

You don't get how orcs work. Orcs don't care about taking the location or not, it's the battle that matters. Whether they win or lose is just a matter of getting the food or not, that's the reason why they're driven to winning. What matters is the fun. If they see a juicy target, they'll attack it. If it's not fun to take, they might even ignore it. In the AB, there's a bit of fluff about a city basically surrendering w/o a fight to an orc warboss. The orc is so disgusted he leaves w/o even sacking the city. Sure it won't always turn out that way (if it's a village, even if the warboss turns away, the boyz will have torched it in a matter of minutes anyway, so one way or another, it changes nothing), but it's significant.
Almost all the greatest Waaaghs have ended the same way, broken against an impregnable city.

[TheDungen]

Orcs car ebaout fighting if you die you cant fight. "The one who runs away lives to fight another day" have been used by gw as an orc saying. (5th edition in white dwarf atleast)

[Urgat]

They run when they lose, but they don't know if they'll lose unless they've tried. Find me a single fluff piece where orcs avoid a fight because they think they can't win. And find me where you saw that quote attributed to orcs while we're at it, because I don't remember it and I've been playing orcs and goblins since the beginning of 5th ed, and I had a WD subscription back then (not saying you're mistaken, I just don't remember it. Since people question me when I quote old WD from memory, I feel entitled to do the same).

[Craze_b0i]

In the AB, there's a bit of fluff about a city basically surrendering w/o a fight to an orc warboss. The orc is so disgusted he leaves w/o even sacking the city. Sure it won't always turn out that way (if it's a village, even if the warboss turns away, the boyz will have torched it in a matter of minutes anyway, so one way or another, it changes nothing), but it's significant.

Actually its a keep they attack. Also the defenders do fight them, in fact rather than hide inside they fight them outside the gate. Having killed the lot outside the warboss smashes down the gate. He then sees the ones left inside the gate are scared of him (so won't put up any fight) and at the same time he looks up and sees an even bigger castle over on the horizon. In effect it is those 2 things combined that make him leave.

While plausible I always felt this story is 'untypical' of how orcs normally behave. Having captured a keep they would ordinarily stop and loot it before moving on to attack the next one over the hill. That is my impression anyhow.

[TheDungen]

Some guy afte rhe loses a batlte report, to be honest it might be Adrian Wood (Orky Bloke) and then its 40k, could be the battle report where they reenact the movie Zulu with orks as Zulu. or it could be the mega three genaral per side battle in one of thoose roughly the same time. i dont have my wd here so i cant check. anyway he says that he thinks its an orcy (or orky maybee) saying. And doesnt the orks say it in DoW: DC? When you push the ork boss out of the main campaign? Again thats 40k but as said i think they're the same you feel free to think otherwise but to me they are.

[Urgat]

There's no need for me to feel free to think anything, they are not the same. That you chose to ignore the (numerous) evidences doesn't make it less true.

[Athelassan]

Some guy afte rhe loses a batlte report, to be honest it might be Adrian Wood (Orky Bloke) and then its 40k, could be the battle report where they reenact the movie Zulu with orks as Zulu. or it could be the mega three genaral per side battle in one of thoose roughly the same time. i dont have my wd here so i cant check. anyway he says that he thinks its an orcy (or orky maybee) saying. And doesnt the orks say it in DoW: DC? When you push the ork boss out of the main campaign? Again thats 40k but as said i think they're the same you feel free to think otherwise but to me they are.

I didn't understand most of that, but as you say, that's 40K. If you want to extrapolate principles from one and apply them to the other then that's your lookout, but I (and most people) tend to treat the background for each as discrete entities.

It's been discussed above why orc reproduction in WHF probably doesn't work in exactly the same way as 40K. There's also the glaring issue of technology - 40K orks are intuitively quite technologically advanced, whereas WHF orcs left to their own devices are pretty much still in the stone age. I think it's preferable to treat 40K orks and WHF orcs as similar, but different, as with Eldar and Elves, Squats/Demiurg and Dwarfs, Ogryns and Ogres, etc. and this seems to be the line the studio take too.

The saying in question I think I've seen as long ago as 4th ed (I don't think it was 40K, but I might be wrong): "Orcs is never defeated in battle. If we win we win, if we die we die fighting so it don't count. If we runs for it we don't die neither, cos we can come back for annuver go, see!"

[Urgat]

The saying in question I think I've seen as long ago as 4th ed (I don't think it was 40K, but I might be wrong): "Orcs is never defeated in battle. If we win we win, if we die we die fighting so it don't count. If we runs for it we don't die neither, cos we can come back for annuver go, see!"

We don't lose neither. Yeah, I remember that. Was handy to have in the fluff, because orcs would run a lot in 4th and 5th edition: "Oh, your general is dead!"

[TheDungen]

orcs are never beaten in battle if wer're dead we're dead so it doesnt count, if we run away we live to fight another day. that was the quote i was thinking about.

And i've seen it used for both systems. Which supports the idea that they're related. While maybe not exactly the same. Not recognizing that would be ignoring years of hints that they are.

[Craze_b0i]

orcs are never beaten in battle if wer're dead we're dead so it doesnt count, if we run away we live to fight another day. that was the quote i was thinking about.

And i've seen it used for both systems. Which supports the idea that they're related. While maybe not exactly the same. Not recognizing that would be ignoring years of hints that they are.

Well it depends what you mean by 'related'. Warhammer 40k either is or was an alternate version of Warhammer Fantasy, so there are some similarities - but whether they count as being in the same universe is somewhat debatable.

[Arnizipal]

And i've seen it used for both systems.

Honestly I've never seen it used outside of 40K.

[TheDungen]

I cant say for certain but as i said i think i've seen it for wh fb to, but withoutmy wd i cant see for sure