new griffon model vs the previous model.

[aldo_milo]

let me start by saying the models are nice, amazing actually, but they seem to beefy or stocky to me. i like the older one better and how the creature that looks sleeker.

the new ones look more like what i think a statue or some sort of decoration in terms of proportions.

does this mean i don't plan on getting one? no. i most certainly will. any way what are your guys' thoughts?

[theunwantedbeing]

It's bigger than the old model, so is better.

[Malorian]

It's bigger than the old model, so is better.

This covers it all. The bigger something is the cooler it is and the more people will buy. GW had us pegged since Skaven.

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[yabbadabba]

I'll be getting the new one when I can and that will put be on 4 generations of Griffon in my army and each has its good and bad points.

[Urgat]

Well, I prefer the new one to the previous one, but my favorite one remains the older Deathclaw.

[Miredorf]

Well, I prefer the new one to the previous one, but my favorite one remains the older Deathclaw.

same here. SPecially the old Karl Franz.

People complaining about its size compared to a dragon please remember that the dragon models are older and not that crash hot any way lol. GW will be revisting these monsters when the relevant army book comes along and we should see dragons become the awe inspiring minis that they should be.

That reminds me i need to bail the dog so i can use its house for future dragon releases.

[Mr Ogre]

I like it biggerer! Also, it's a much much nicer sculpt in my opinion. Looks seriously imposing!

[Rapahatsutt]

Totally getting the new one in a few weeks. A huge improvement over all previous Griffons.

[Damien 1427]

I like it. I still think the old metal one looked like it was always on the verge of falling over.

[Arclight]

Guess I'm the only one who likes my warhammer as MINIatures

[Frankly]

Guess I'm the only one who likes my warhammer as MINIatures

hahahaha

[Sexiest_hero]

That thing is a beast, how can one not love it?

[the Goat]

That thing is a beast, how can one not love it?

The new griffon (and all the new plastic monsters) looks like a fisher price toy. I prefer models to be the proper scale.

[loveless]

The new griffon (and all the new plastic monsters) looks like a fisher price toy. I prefer models to be the proper scale.

Er...they are the proper scale. If the riders and other "accessory" bits (skulls are popular decor, assuming they're real skulls and not just skull-shaped ornaments) match the size of the typical infantry of that breed, then it's just a big monster.

Also, find me a product from Fisher Price that has anywhere near the detail of a GW plastic kit.

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I'm shocked at how many "Karl Franz on Deathclaw - previous version" defenders there are. That was one of the worst models GW ever put up for sale. I can't help but wonder if the rose-tinted glasses of age has clouded some memories here.

I also don't understand the issue with the size. I can understand the "Too big for a griffon" camp, sure - I mean, hey, they had to create a new statline for the dang thing! I don't understand the "Too big for Warhammer" camp. That side puzzles me - where are the rules set down as to how big a Warhammer model can and cannot be?

Frankly, I've always felt a 50mm base was too small for a monster in this game. Things don't start getting imposing until you put a monster on a chariot base or so for me - and even those need to have a fair bit of vertical growth to them to really feel threatening to most of the heroes.

[Urgat]

I'm shocked at how many "Karl Franz on Deathclaw - previous version" defenders there are. That was one of the worst models GW ever put up for sale. I can't help but wonder if the rose-tinted glasses of age has clouded some memories here.

Yes, thank you for making us see the light, Oh truthsayer!
"shrugs"
I can't help but wonder if some people realize not everybody share their tastes.

[loveless]

Yes, thank you for making us see the light, Oh truthsayer!
"shrugs"
I can't help but wonder if some people realize not everybody share their tastes.

Sometimes I forget that forumites forget the understood "In my opinion" at the beginning of posts, like the understood "you" at the start of an imperative sentence.

People are free to post their opinions (often without having to say it's just an opinion) and others are free to disagree or be confused by them (as I am confused by the love for the last Karl Franz and Deathclaw model ).

Have you even seen a horse in real life? I mean a full sized work horse (or warhorse if you can find one) not a riding pony. Real life horses are huge. Now in warhammer a horse is on a 25x50mm base. The old metal warhamer monsters were on 50x50mm bases. Actually the models were much larger than the 50x50mm bases (sticking out on all sides). If you extrapolate their real life size based on the 25x50mm == horse scale, the old metal warhammer monsters were plenty large enough. These new plastic monsters are way too big. They don't even look impressive on the table top. They look childish.

Er...yes, I've seen a horse in real life - the sort that pull large carts, wagons, etc. Are there people who haven't? (Not trying to be snarky, I just find them to be so common in parades, fairs, and circuses that it's hard to imagine someone not encountering a horse.)

2x Horse size is not terribly monstrous in terms of fantasy IN MY OPINION (there you go, Urgat ). Elephants might even be a bit small when I think of some monsters (though I'm sure a fully-outfitted war elephant would be horrifying to come across in battle). Dragons, certainly, should be larger than the wee little 50mm beasts the metals were. The plastic Zombie Dragon is about the only one that's felt "right" to me in terms of size.

Dragon Age might be a decent reference point - dragons in it are large, but managable. You think "that's big" but you don't get the feeling that you're in over your head (same thing with ogres and even broodmothers in that series). High Dragons (and the Archdaemon) are massive creatures that make you wish you had saved more recently.

*shrugs* None of this really matters, though - no one's opinions are going to suddenly change. That said, I still want to see the fancy Fisher Price toys everyone keeps drawing comparisons to - I might want to get some

[the Goat]

Frankly, I've always felt a 50mm base was too small for a monster in this game. Things don't start getting imposing until you put a monster on a chariot base or so for me - and even those need to have a fair bit of vertical growth to them to really feel threatening to most of the heroes.

Have you even seen a horse in real life? I mean a full sized work horse (or warhorse if you can find one) not a riding pony. Real life horses are huge. Now in warhammer a horse is on a 25x50mm base. The old metal warhamer monsters were on 50x50mm bases. Actually the models were much larger than the 50x50mm bases (sticking out on all sides). If you extrapolate their real life size based on the 25x50mm == horse scale, the old metal warhammer monsters were plenty large enough. These new plastic monsters are way too big. They don't even look impressive on the table top. They look childish.

[Spiney Norman]

The new griffon (and all the new plastic monsters) looks like a fisher price toy. I prefer models to be the proper scale.

"proper scale"? How big exactly do you envisage a griffon to be? It's a monster it's supposed to be ruddy huge, if anything I'd say that the new plastic griffon is still probably smaller than an accurate representation of a griffon should be, the old metal one was a tiddler.

I much prefer the new one, though I may still use my old metal from time to time depending on which character I want to use riding it (made my plastic up with the wizard because I already have a general on my metal).

Am I really the only one that thinks the bicycle seat saddle is just god-awful? I mean really, as if riding a wild flying predator the size of a garbage truck wouldn't be dangerous enough, lets do it on top of a glorified unicycle...

I'm not sure what I think of it to be honest, it was at least a creative attempt to do something about the ridiculous neck-mounted saddle that every other ridden monster seems to have. I'm not sure about the aesthetic design of the seat itself, but I like the idea of the rider being in a semi-seated position with his legs braced against the animal rather than swinging on leg either side of its neck (which clearly wouldn't have worked on an animal that size anyway).

At least they weren't surfing on top of the griffons head holding on with the reins over its head...

[snyggejygge]

"proper scale"? How big exactly do you envisage a griffon to be? It's a monster it's supposed to be ruddy huge, if anything I'd say that the new plastic griffon is still probably smaller than an accurate representation of a griffon should be, the old metal one was a tiddler.

Griffons aren't supposed to be all that huge, they took inspiration from a lot of early Dungeons & Dragons stuff, in which a griffon isn't much bigger than a lion, still dangerous as hell though (imagine flying lions, & no modern day weapons, they could very well be just as dangerous as descibed even at that size then).
I for one like the new one sculptwise, but agree on that it's a tad too big.

[Haravikk]

I like the new model, though I think it's head (without armour) looks very small compared to the rest, I'm not sure if it's the large claws that give that impression. I'm also not keen on the twin head, but then it's supposed to look odd