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    Re: Warriors of Chaos summary

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    I rather doubt that. I have a feeling (based on the current artwork and the SoM entry), that they want to separate them more from Ogres. And, to be honest, while Dragon Ogres resembled standard Ogres, they have never looked much like mutated Chaos Ogres. I suspect that any new models will look more dissimilar, and it wouldn't surprise me if they go for a more "ancient and advanced" look to their weaponry and armour (rather like Lizardmen gear). Furthermore, it wouldn't surprise me if they came on 50 x 75 mm bases (as with the Demigriffon Knights).

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    Apart from what you have said I still think the dual kit idea has merit for GW if the are desperate and need to also push some new units/box sets, but like you said the art direction has moved the two away from each other. I think you are right with the basing too. Demigriffon knights (I think) look a little small on those bases, I have no doubt we will see more "monstrous cavalry" on the new 50x75 bases.

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    The chance of getting a combined Forsaken / Chosen kit are essentially zero, given that they don't share any options whatsoever. The chance of getting a combined Warriors / Chosen kit, at some point but probably not right now, are quite good (indeed, a lot of people use Warriors with varying degrees of converting as Chosen for just this reason).
    I can see GW doing a 5 figure forsaken/chosen kit with a crapload of options (similar to the 40k SM kits) and selling it for 25 dollars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by static grass View Post
    Apart from what you have said I still think the dual kit idea has merit for GW if the are desperate and need to also push some new units/box sets, but like you said the art direction has moved the two away from each other. I think you are right with the basing too. Demigriffon knights (I think) look a little small on those bases, I have no doubt we will see more "monstrous cavalry" on the new 50x75 bases.
    If anything, they ought to repackage the DoC Bloodcrushers with those longer bases.

    Quote Originally Posted by lbecks View Post
    I can see GW doing a 5 figure forsaken/chosen kit with a crapload of options (similar to the 40k SM kits) and selling it for 25 dollars.
    Those 40K kits have loads of stuff in common, building what is essentially small variations of the same basic unit (ex: GK Purifiers and regular GKs in power armour differ only in the shape of their helmets). There is a reason there is not a single kit that builds either marines in power armour or terminator armour.

    Besides, the 40K equivalent of Forsaken (Possessed Marines) already sell for $30 for 5 containing only parts to build that one unit type.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Avian View Post
    If anything, they ought to repackage the DoC Bloodcrushers with those longer bases.


    Those 40K kits have loads of stuff in common, building what is essentially small variations of the same basic unit (ex: GK Purifiers and regular GKs in power armour differ only in the shape of their helmets). There is a reason there is not a single kit that builds either marines in power armour or terminator armour.

    Besides, the 40K equivalent of Forsaken (Possessed Marines) already sell for $30 for 5 containing only parts to build that one unit type.
    http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/ca...Id=prod1090266
    The forsaken are just chaos warriors with mutated arms and heads. I would expect a kit that was fully compatible with the chaos knights and head compatible with the current warriors. The extra bits could be used for sprucing up the rest of your chaos warriors. The same way the two blood angel boxes and the Wolf kit is used for upgrading the regular SM boxes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lbecks View Post
    The forsaken are just chaos warriors with mutated arms and heads.
    ... and mutated torsos, and mutated legs. And various other mutations.

    I'm sure it would/will be great with the number of bits for conversions, though the only thing they have in common with Chosen is the minimum number of models per unit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lbecks View Post
    The forsaken are just chaos warriors with mutated arms and heads...
    well. they are somewhere between spawndom and warriors. so i guess theres an opportunity to do some really nice looking models there. warriors with funky arms and helmets don't sound that exciting.

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    Re: Warriors of Chaos summary

    Not a massive rumour or anything, but the word around Head Office from the last managers meeting is that WoC are the next Fantasy Army.
    This could just be a case of rumour rebound though?
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    Echoes of rumours will be treated as repeats and not confirmation, unless they bring new info to the table or it's from a rock solid source.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lbecks View Post
    Hastings is super reliable and I think his plastic rumors are in line with other releases.

    Some kind of Big Kit. Every faction is getting multiple kits, Chaos so far have the manticore.
    Chariot/Shrine. GW has been talking about a re-done chariot since the mid 2000's.
    Forsaken/Chosen. In line with GW updating metal elite infantry to plastic.
    Dragon ogres. Really old models, in line with GW giving factions a plastic monstrous inf/cav release.
    Maybe the new big critter will be the old Maurder warmammoth? It is in the Storms book right? & the ole campaign book of 6/7th?

    Other than the redo kits Chaos has everything in spades. Flavorful character mounts, large critters, MI & MC.
    Whatever happen to mutants and things looking "chaos-like" though? Hmm

    Lets hope the lack of new stuff for Warriors will leave room for GW to make other kits that are still missing from other books. Wood Elf unicorn mount for one-HA!
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    It's very unusual for GW to directly port a Forge World model into their main line. Notably, when they could have added Rhinox Riders to the OK book, they made their own versions of very heavy cavalry instead.
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    If the trend established by the already released 8th edition books continues, then one of the new kits will be a dual kit serving as a character mount / rare unit. The chariot / warshrine idea certainly fits the description. The other one in my opinion will most likely be a plastic chaos dragon, with the option of being unmounted (galrauch) or mounted by a lord / sorcerer.
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    Re: Warriors of Chaos summary

    Quote Originally Posted by Avian View Post
    It's very unusual for GW to directly port a Forge World model into their main line. Notably, when they could have added Rhinox Riders to the OK book, they made their own versions of very heavy cavalry instead.
    Though there have been multiple instances on 40K, Tau Piranha, Tyranid Trygon and of course the Baneblade/Shadowsword so it's not out of the question just rather unlikely.

    I'm pretty excited about the forthcoming chaos book and look forward to its release.

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    Aren't we also likely to see one new huge centerpiece model that didn't exist before? I think all of the 8th books have gotten a new one (O&G big spider thing, TK sphinx, OK Thundertusk, VC Terrogeist, Emprire wizard wagons). That seems to be a pretty good track record that I don't see GW breaking.

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    Re: Warriors of Chaos summary

    Quote Originally Posted by Haravikk View Post
    Beyond that I don't see more than one extra kit, Dragon Ogres seem like they'd fit the Monstrous Cavalry style has been common so far, perhaps they will be build able as just the dragon half? Or with a different bottom half for making standard ogres? Beyond that a bunch of characters is pretty much a given.
    I'm still hoping for chosen on some sort of daemonic mount which would seem like the thing everyone wants, it also solves the issues of characters in daemonic steeds being practically useless (unless they change these to steeds again which I doubt), it was hinted at in the 40k rumours with the dual kit for warhammer and 40k, I guess only time will tell.

    Quote Originally Posted by Avian View Post
    It's very unusual for GW to directly port a Forge World model into their main line. Notably, when they could have added Rhinox Riders to the OK book, they made their own versions of very heavy cavalry instead.
    Didn't they do that with guard and all the extra tank options in the box which had previously been FW only, same with venerable dreads being originally FW only models, I know it wont happen but I would love to see rules for skinwolves in the armybook
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gradek View Post
    Aren't we also likely to see one new huge centerpiece model that didn't exist before? I think all of the 8th books have gotten a new one (O&G big spider thing, TK sphinx, OK Thundertusk, VC Terrogeist, Emprire wizard wagons). That seems to be a pretty good track record that I don't see GW breaking.
    Yeah, the speculation so far is either chaos dragon or new shaggoth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Avian View Post
    ... and mutated torsos, and mutated legs. And various other mutations.

    I'm sure it would/will be great with the number of bits for conversions, though the only thing they have in common with Chosen is the minimum number of models per unit.
    Technically just different weapons (arms). The art in the current book of a forsaken is a chaos warrior . . . with mutated arms. And currently they share the same points cost as Chosen, though that may change with a new book.

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    It will be something new for sure (the big kit). Now to hope it is a monster instead of another ''wacky car''...

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    Id like to see the paliquin maybe GW would make a duel kit with that and maybe a new nurgle warmachine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lbecks View Post
    Yeah, the speculation so far is either chaos dragon or new shaggoth.
    The Shaggoth rumour has been determined to be bogus.


    Quote Originally Posted by lbecks View Post
    Technically just different weapons (arms). The art in the current book of a forsaken is a chaos warrior . . . with mutated arms.
    The artwork in the rulebook is different (and better).


    And currently they share the same points cost as Chosen, though that may change with a new book.
    How is that in any way relevant?
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