Top Tiers in 8th edition

[Sh4d0w]

Here's how it works, we are voting on the top 5 armies in 8th edition, not necessarily the most powerful one build but strong none the less.

My top 5:

1. Daemons (most seem to think they've been nerfed but to me they are still insane, i also have a daemon army that is regularly entered in tournaments and it does well)
2. Skaven (these things called skaven slaves, enough said)
3. Dark elves (these can potentially jump to the number one spot if you roll well with them, always as shadow magic and unkillable dreadlord)
4. Lizardmen (not too harsh an army but a fully tooled up slann is an abomination)
5. Chaos (they have only benefited from this edition, nothing too OP just a solid army capable of beating everything)

I'm going to put a sneaky number 6 in here which is a tie between dwarfs and ogres

EDIT: After calculating the results the top 5 are:

1. Skaven
2. Demons
3. Dark elves
4. Lizardmen
5. Chaos

@Mercules guess what is even more irrelevant and pointless? You and your opinions. This was purely to get the basic idea across of what the top 5 armies are, notice i didn't tell people to rank every army? Yeah because then you would be right and we would get very skewed results, but for the top 5 there are only 5 that sit in that category so don't even try.

[Von Wibble]

Skaven
Chaos
Daemons
Lizardmen
Dwarfs

But its pretty close in general. Honourable mention to Dark Elves and Ogres.

[tmarichards]

1. Lizardmen
2. Skaven
3. Dark Elves
4. Ogres
5. Daemons

[Jerry]

1. Daemons
2. Skaven
3. Dark Elves
4. Warriors of Chaos
5. Ogre Kingdoms

[Wesser]

1. Daemons
2. High Elves
3. Dark Elves
4. Skaven
5. Eh.. Warrior I guess


High Elves are right up there with the big ones. A generally shrong army and in my opinion ... A horde of Phoenix Guards is point-for-point the vilest thing in the game.

[calnen]

1 - Skaven
2 - Dark Elves
3 - Daemons
4 - Warriors
5 - Ogres
(6 - Dwarves)

[Sh4d0w]

So we can see that so far skaven is on top, but @Wesser why high elves? the only dirty thing they have is teclis, that pheonix guard block is rather expensive :/

[willowdark]

No one thinks Beasts are top tier? With Primal Fury, Gors, Bestigors, the Herdstone, and Minotaur Characters? I certainly see them on par with Lizards and Dark Elves.

[jonadaya]

1. Skaven
2. Daemons
3. Dark Elves
4. warriors of chaos
5. ogres

[Snake1311]

Sigh, again? Every months or so the tier thing comes up :P

[tmarichards]

I have a secret to share with you Snake, but I need you to listen in close because it is, after all, a secret.

Ready?

If you don't like a thread... you don't have to post in it or even read it.

Mind=blown.

[kaulem]

1. Demons ( anyone who disagrees never played my friend, he's like 30/0 with his nurgle deamons)
Tied: 2. 3. 4.
Dwarves, warriors & skaven
5. Tough one... Either high elves or dark elves.

Ps: the reason no one puts beastmen is that most people struggle with them.

[GodlessM]

How can anyone put Dwarfs anywhere near the top army?

[Rosstifer]

1st - Skaven
2nd - Lizardmen. 1st and 2nd very very close. Skaven are just easier to wreck hobby with than Lizardmen.
3rd - Dark Elves
4th - Daemons
5th - is a tie between Warriors and Ogres. Can't choose! Warriors are certainly stronger in the match up of those 2, but in general Ogres are even easier to use than WOC. Chosenstar>Gutstar but Ironblaster>Hellcannon any day of the week. So I'll sit on my fence.
Vampires, Beasts, Empire and High Elves would all be battling for 7th, whilst Dwarves, O&G, Tomb Kings, Woodies and Bretts will bring up the rear. Not by much, mind you. Most armies are close.

I'd also say there is a decent gap between Skaven, Lizardmen and Everyone else. Those 2 armies really are powerful.

People don't rate Beasts too much because no one really plays them, but over here they always seem to perform well. I'm certainly looking forward to unleashing the fury of the Drakwald at my next few Tournaments.

[Stephanavich]

Also, can someone explain how Lizards are top-tier. Sure, Slann are good and the Cupped hands is broken, Salamanders are strong; but Skink Priests are crap (using only the worst lore. ever.), Cold one riders are overpriced, temple guard are only usable in a Slann bunker, where they risk being blown to kingdom come by a miscast (YES, THOSE STILL HAPPEN). The entire army is weak to "uber-spells", especially the Ogre one, Pit of Shades, and Purple Sun. Skinks can never be competitively used in any other way than skirmishers. Razordons are wayyyy too unpredictable to be efficient. Stegadons are fairly crap; at least, for me, the bolt thrower has never done anything. Comparing its price to most other monsters, it's extortionately priced. Ancients are better - I always take one, but mainly because I love the model. Terradon Riders are, again, too unpredictable to work, and can't hold their own in combat, even against quite a lot of warmachines (Ogre, WoC, CD, Dwarf) which is their purpose because they have minimum unit size 3, and so would make huge, expensive redirectors.

Saurus are good, and hugely powerful when buffed by the lore of light (makes them uber-hitty) or lore of life (impossible to kill). Salamanders are good, but they compensate for the lack of any decent, reliable shooting. The Slann is good, but again because Lizardmen players only have Skink Priests in their arsenal, who are stuck with the Lore of Heavens (which most players find the worst lore).

Lets face it: A lizardmen list with no Slann, no Saurus, and no Salamanders would be completely terrible. From that, we can assume that the Lizardmen Book is badly written, and by no means "top-tier" if 3 things pretty much must be used to make a list.

[Snake1311]

I have a secret to share with you Snake, but I need you to listen in close because it is, after all, a secret.

Ready?

If you don't like a thread... you don't have to post in it or even read it.

Mind=blown.

I love this thread mate. Just not the first page where everything is nice and everyone sticks to their 1-5 lists. We've already had a few comments along the lines of "I can't believe you thing this is OP"

Be patient grasshopper...

EDIT: the irony of someone managing to post a massive rant a few seconds before my post went on, so sweet.

[Rosstifer]

Yeah, but double Slaan, double Mounted Scar Vet, Skink heavy Salamander toting lists are SO bloody nasty they make up for all the poor choice in the book. You don't need Saurus. Skink Krox units buffed up and Scar Vets do all the fighting.


An all out tournament Lizards list is something to be feared.

[tmarichards]

The Slann is ridiculously strong, especially when you take 2 of them. If you run a combat army, then they can abuse Lore of Light (probably the best Lore in the game for combat lists) to the fullest as it covers the only weaknesses of the Lizards book- bad WS, I and no access to re-rolls. SKrox are already a very good combat unit, when combined with Lore of Light power by a Ruminating frog they are absurd.

Scar-Vets are absurd. For 160pts, you get a character that can act as a combat unit in his own right and is incredibly hard to kill. If people can't deal with them, the pair are more than capable of rolling over entire armies on their own.

Salamanders are absurd.

Skinks are brutal when taken in enough units- multiple units can double flee every charge which means combat armies struggle to engage, and after each failed charge the other 80 skinks pump a huge amount of poisoned shots into you. Against armoured targets, the Scar-Vets or Salamanders come in and ruin them.

Lizards are not perhaps the easiest army to use (although the single Slann Light combat list plays itself and is still really good), but when used properly they are without a doubt the strongest army in the game barring Skaven if all the toys work. The overall book is so strong and has such great synergy that a variety of builds can work (single Slann combat, double Slann combat, single Slann avoidance, double Slann avoidance or a combined arms list).

[Gary wyper]

1 skaven
2 Dark elves
3 lizardmen
4 daemons
5 ogres

[Rosstifer]

This is usually the moment when someone says something along the lines of "Single Scar Vets on Cold Ones couldn't be very good", followed by me banging my head against my keyboard