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    Pre heresy chapter?

    I want to mak a 500-750pts pre heresy space marine chapter within 3 months. I am not sure though wich? Is there any interesting old chapters that look good with the FW Iron armour and Deimos pattern predator?
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    Re: Pre heresy chapter?

    im working on pre heresy emperor's children, i think they look awesome in warlock purple and gold, but mark 3 armour i say iron warriors or imperial fists, go for a siege armylist maybe?

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    Re: Pre heresy chapter?

    Are you meaning Legions, rather than chapter?

    Just look up the space marine first founding, decide which legions pre heresy colour scheme you like the best and/or background appeals.

    Are there any horus heresy books you've been reading? Any particular characters or events stick out at you? This might make the process easier.

    As for the Deimos predator, that should look fine next to any pre heresy legion. Likewise, any of the FW early armour marks (bar the beekee mk vi) would looked great too... but I reckon mk iii would work particularly well with legions known for siege, attrition or close in boarding actions, due to looking bulkier. So iron warriors, death guard and imperial fists would all look quite good with lots of mk iii. But don't feel the need to stick to the one type - mix it up.
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    Re: Pre heresy chapter?

    there are no pre heresy chapters, back then they were legions. so either go with a loyal legion or just mix in some of the old armour with a normal chapter. especially as an all forgeworld army gets really expensive.
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    Re: Pre heresy chapter?

    I havent gotten to read my heresy books yet. Got 2. But thanks for the tip! I will look into it.

    I got money thats no problem. I will also sell some stuff laying around for extra fine pieces.

    I noticed Alpha Legion possibly still are loyal? You learn something new every day.

    So stuck at: Ultramarines and Sons of Horus. Maybe even deleted legion.
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    Re: Pre heresy chapter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Exitas-Acta-Probat View Post
    there are no pre heresy chapters, back then they were legions. so either go with a loyal legion or just mix in some of the old armour with a normal chapter. especially as an all forgeworld army gets really expensive.
    Word Bearers were organized into chapters, and from Guilleman's post-Heresy actions, it looks like he was about to organize his Ultramarines along those lines anyway.

    But as we know them today, you are correct.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fizzy View Post
    I noticed Alpha Legion possibly still are loyal?
    Try telling that to an Ultramarine. Where are you getting this inkling? I'm not ready to say you're utterly wrong
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fizzy View Post
    Maybe even deleted legion.
    My two cents: do NOT go that route. There are many topics around here discussing those two and at the end of the day it's best to avoid that. They're gone. End of story.

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    Sorry, double post...

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    Re: Pre heresy chapter?

    The 617th@: I found it on a warhammer wiki about the first foundings.

    Well I made up an own chapter. It's 21st founding. I did not find any good pre heresy legion.

    But I read that they went missing and no one knows what happened. And in the 40K universe everything is possible.
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    Re: Pre heresy chapter?

    21st founding was the cursed founding. Plenty of background concerning those chapters.

    Foundings more often than not were several chapters rather than one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fizzy View Post
    The 617th@: I found it on a warhammer wiki about the first foundings.

    Well I made up an own chapter. It's 21st founding. I did not find any good pre heresy legion.

    But I read that they went missing and no one knows what happened. And in the 40K universe everything is possible.
    Making up your own chapter is perfect fine, off course.

    However, the first founding legions are special. They were only 20, and we KNOW who 18 of those were, 2 we don´t. In the beginning, GW intended for these two to be chapters you create yourself, but as the fluff was fleshed out they instead went AWOL - big time. Now the Horus Heresy books are giving vague hints to what happened to them. I´ve had this debate with others as well and basically, creating a chapter from any founding where the entire founding is not known is perfectly fine. Creating an additional 2nd founding Chapter, creating a Space Wolves successor etc., etc. is not fine. That is, it´s always your hobby and you´re free to do what you like, but by trying to create either the 2nd or 11th Legion you will get plenty of roll-eyes and side-way glances because there is zero indication that any of them exist to the point where you could base a heresy-era legion on them.

    *edit: just wanted to add one thing; if by "pre-heresy" you actually mean heresy era after Horus turned and the subsequent fighting between the various legions then the two unknown legions are completely out of the picture as we KNOW that only 18 legions participated in the fighting.
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    Re: Pre heresy chapter?

    I took Imperial fists! I made an small purchase list and army list at the 40K armylist section. The own chapter things wasn't as I planned. I wanted pre heresy.

    I mean a little while before Horus started the war. the MK III were in use at that time and during the heresy. At least more commonly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blackraven View Post
    but mark 3 armour i say iron warriors or imperial fists, go for a siege armylist maybe?
    This. Imperial Fists looks really good in mark III armour, and it really suits their whole siege way of war. Go for the FW siege lists, with a lot of siege mantlers.
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    Lovely choice, IF rock! However, I think quite a few legions rocked - plus some color schemes were much cooler than their successor's (Space wolves, Sons of Horus) IMO.

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    Imperial Fists when done right have one of THE very best looking armors in the game. Nice one!

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    Re: Pre heresy chapter?

    If you're doing heresy-era Imperial Fists, might I suggest looking up Forgeworld for the Contemptor Dreadnought. Even if you never use the FW rules, they are awesome model and can easily stand in for the classic box, and have that very old feel to them.
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    Re: Pre heresy chapter?

    The Dark Angels in there black armour and red legion symbol look great.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Charistoph View Post
    If you're doing heresy-era Imperial Fists, might I suggest looking up Forgeworld for the Contemptor Dreadnought. Even if you never use the FW rules, they are awesome model and can easily stand in for the classic box, and have that very old feel to them.
    If you do use the FW rules they are downright broken. I played against 3 with Heavy Conversion Beamers a few days ago... Dirty lol
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    Re: Pre heresy chapter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Still Standing View Post
    If you do use the FW rules they are downright broken. I played against 3 with Heavy Conversion Beamers a few days ago... Dirty lol
    That's the way with most FW stuff. Quite powerful, quite dirty, and quite expensive (both points and funds). OH, and oh, so pretty!
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