powergaming army for tourny 1500p suggestions?

[gutsmaka]

40K Army: Imperial Guard

thought of this extremly dicky list

lord comissar

vets with carapace and plasma in chimera
vets with carapace and melta in chimera

vandetta

vandetta

3 hydra flaks

2 leman battles with 3 heavy bolters

1 leman demolisher with 2 multi meltas and a lascannon
spare 20p to spend on upgrades
what do you think? would this be considered competitive? or do I need more troops? I am new to powergaming!

[sigur]

I got a suggestion but you probably don't want to hearit: Why would you want to be a dick? Or a powergamer for that matter? If I was you I'd relish in the fact that you know the difference between a fun game and an optimized list.

Apart from that, I'm not a "competetive" player but I can't see carapace being well regarded in these circles. Apart from that, YES you need more troops. I can't think of any army I'd field with only 21 guys.

[gutsmaka]

normally I play for fun, but as this is a pretty big tournament (terracon) I want to try and win for a change. but your right, normally I use a very mild necron list or drop pod marines

[Gertjan]

To be honest, doesn't seem like that dicky of a list, it's fast alright and quite some damage potential but it's also blow three ways to hell before you can say "oh *******".

I don't know about the tourny scene around where you live but you only have 2 units to claim objectives with, the same 2 units you presumably want to use in an offensive way as they have melta/plasma goodies. This means you have to be very lucky for them to survive as they are still guardsmen and even with carapace armour they die pretty fast once your opponent starts to concentrate his firepower. Why do you have a lord commisar? simply because you need an HQ? Solo he won't do that much good and when dumped with a unit he'll die fast due to being an IC and thus being singled out in cc by a smart opponent.

What's the use of the triple Hyrda's? they will be a squadron so have to shoot at the same target. I dunno if you categorically roll that bad or what but I reckon it's kind of a bit overkill, 2 will do the trick usually. That already gives you 8 twin linked autocannon shots, if the target doesn't die due to that you shouldn't be shooting at it with autocannons in the first place.

No Comment on the squadron of lrbt's, I regularly use them aswell and they can form a very solid baseline for your army. The demolisher however, why would you want to kit it out with so many expensive options? Just add a lascannon in the hull if you want some added anti-tank power, adding another 30 pts for 2 mullit melta's is a bit to much imo. Otherwise he'll get very expensive and you start wondering if you'll even be able to put those points to good use.

It's not the type of IG army I usually play with ( I always start my lists with an infantry platoon as a solid base). It looks fast and can do some damage but consider the fact that you only have 2 troop choices so you have trouble claiming. That or you'll have little use for the melta's/ plasma's as you're to busy keeping your vets from being killed (chimera's are wonderfull troop transports but if there are only a few on the table they die fast, there's to much anti av11 and 12 around these days for them to survive for long). Not going to comment on the vendetta's as I never use the things myself but I've seen people use them to great effect. Your heavy support however is totally unsupported. The hydra flak battery is fun but remember, a 4+ on the pen hit will kill one of them off and with av 12 front it'll happen faster than you expect. The leman Russ tanks are good but you have little to protect them from nasty infantry running up close or drop podding in with some melta weaponry and blowing them up. The 4+ death for the lrbt is acceptable as it has av14 front which means it can take some punishment but you have little to protect their soft rear armor. All in all it's not that scary a list, it does damage sure, but it's also pretty fragile.

I am not a very good power gamer as I choose the units I like but I'd advice you to at the very least get yourself a ccs rather than a lord commisar, 4 special weapons at bs4 with orders are to good to pass up and at 90pts most likely almost as expensive as your commissar with a decent load out. You can even just dump them in a vendetta if you want to save on chimera costs. And get a platoon imo, some infantry squads with flamers or grenade launchers and a platoon commissar to keep them from running away to fast, use em to claim or protect your tanks. Also, I'm personally not a big fan of carapace armor on veterans as I found it doesn't really help them survive much longer, I prefer to invest those points in more troops.

[gutsmaka]

well, I can get rid of the hydra flaks and 1 vandetta to put in a platoon of 2 squads with vox and grenade launchers, a platoon command with vox and 3 snipers and 2 heavy weapon teams, 1 with missile launchers, the other with lascannons. would that still be copmetitive?

[Khornies & milk]

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thought of this extremly dicky list

Hi, it makes me laugh when people make comments about powergamer/competitive lists/games not been fun. The 'fun' part is derived far more from the attitude of the opponent than anything else, and I have had the fun sucked out of many games by the Fluffnut/casual gamers. Genuine WAAC'ers on the other hand are a different story, but Powergamer/competitive players aren't instantly considered WAAC'ers, and the people that do consider them as such are being P***ks.

Been a list for a Tourney you have every right to make it a hard-edged one, which personally I don't think it is.

lord comissar

Better suited to an Infantry-heavy list with lots of HWS's. A better, but still cheap HQ for a Mech list would be a Primaris Psyker.

vets with carapace and plasma in chimera
vets with carapace and melta in chimera

Carapace is a good match for Plasma Vets, but I always forgo Doctrines because they aren't worth the cost for the benefits given, and suck up a lot of points when given to multiple units, and those points are usually best spent in other areas of a list.

vandetta

vandetta

Lovely!

3 hydra flaks

2 is usually enough, 3 is overkill quite often, depending on the target of course.

2 leman battles with 3 heavy bolters

1 leman demolisher with 2 multi meltas and a lascannon

Seen as these are built to be firebases they're good, but if you need to move at combat speed you will only get to fire 1 Sponson. Static Russes (and Artillery) should be protected somehow, usually bubblewrapped/screened with Infantry or other vehicles, because they make easier to damage targets, so keep that in mind.

spare 20p to spend on upgrades
what do you think? would this be considered competitive? or do I need more troops? I am new to powergaming!

As good as Mech Vets are 2 units is not enough for 1500, so you need to trim the list to afford at least 1 more Troop choice. That 3rd Hydra and the Carapace will go partly towards this, but some Sponsons would need to go as well, the Multi-meltas been my first choice so that's 165 pts.

My 2c anyway.

[ErictheGreen]

Not being a guard player, but a biker, deathwing and regular PA player, i'd relish playing that list in any multiple objective game. Guard troops being what they are (T3 3+ or 4+ with carapace), you can't make do with 2, even if they are in chimeras.

[ColShaw]

That's not actually much of a powergamer list. It's got far too few troops, has unnecessary upgrades and expensive units, and would be terrible at objective games.

I'd say scrap it and start over. For starters, you'll want at least double the Troops units you've got; ditch the Carapace Armor, and lose one Hydra and one Russ from your Heavy Support (go to a 2 Hydra squadron and single Russes). That should get you plenty of points for two more Vet Squads.

[gutsmaka]

thanks for the imput guys. will sleep over it and make a new list in the morning!

[Darth Bobo]

I'm not sure this would qualify as powergaming but IMO you'll need a more rounded list. I don't have my codex with me but from memory this should be close to 1500 pts.

CCS, 4 GL, Officer of the Fleet, Chimera/HF

Veteran Squad, 3 Melta, Chimera/HF
Veteran Squad, 3 Melta, Chimera/HF

PCS, 4GL
Infantry Squad, GL/AC
Infantry Squad, GL/AC
Infantry Squad, GL/AC, Commissar

SWS, Flamers, Demo Charge
SWS, Flamers, Demo Charge

Vendetta
Vendetta

Demolisher/HF
Demolisher/HF

Add a few upgrades if the points are not spent completely (door-gunners in Vendettas, Dozer blades to Chimeras or even add Scout Sentinels with Autocannons as flankers if that many points are left)

Let the platoon hold home objective and blob up if needed. SWS goes in the Vendettas and can be used for scoring and/or suicide runs depending on what you need to achieve. CCS and Veterans capture or contest objectives and pop armor while the Demolishers support and kill TEQs and whatnot. Vendettas just do what Vendettas do best. IF you get visited by hordes enjoy your flamers on the tanks and Chimeras and let your platoon fire in ranks.

The officer of the Fleets sole purpose is to deter reserves from the opponent as you what to be shooting as much as possible on the evil opposition with minimal concern on whats coming up behind you.

Finally enjoy a balanced army that lets you show off all you nice painted toys.