1k Haemo Cult list (helping to teach a friend)

[Fallencarcass]

40K Army: Dark Eldar

I played a game of MarineHammer 40k with a friend to show him the basic rules. He's interested in playing and now I want to build a DE army to be his new army rival that will teach him the other units and rules as we play.
As such, this army doesn't have to win but it has to be an engaging fight that is dangerous.

Haemo w/ WWP
3 Grots
Raider

5 Wracks w/ Liquifier
Raider w/ GT

5 Wracks w/ Liquifier
Raider

2 Beastmasters w/ 4 Khymera and 2 Razorwing Flocks

5 Scouges w/ Heat Lance, Haywire Blaster

Talos w/ chain flails, extra CCW, TL Heat Lance

Talos w/ chain flails, extra CCW, TL Heat Lance

We'll be playing on a 6x4 or 6x3 board, depending on where we play.
Terrain should be 25% with a couple of line of sight blocking buildings.

[Tordeck]

Need a 2nd BM to get the flocks. Each can only bring one type of beast.

[Fallencarcass]

Oh wow! That shows how much I've used Beastmasters before. Thanks for the heads up. I'll probably switch the flocks to Khymera then. Not too much I can drop to toss in a second BM, unless you see something?

[Tordeck]

The solorite and his BP are wasted points.

And I dont like mixing HL and HWB in the same unit. Pick one and go

[Fallencarcass]

The weapon mix in the Scourge squad is for when I deepstrike (in normal games, in this list in case the WWP Haemo is somehow offed early). No matter how I deviate I can at least do something. If I get close I can use all 3.

Edit: But, in order to get the 2nd Beastmaster you're probably right. I could ditch the sol+bp and that would pay for a 2nd BM and another Khymera. That would be helpful.

[FrostByteVA]

Talos are too slow unless using a webway. Webways don't work until higher points. Is there a reason why you aren't using a couple ravagers, warriors, witches, and some other random things to learn with (scourages, hellions, wracks, and beasts, all have purposes and could be added in as needed or even proxied).

Also, if you can, a small table of 4x4 works better than 6x3 since all of the deployments are normal distances.


=note= Sorry, I didn't see the cult list. It's fine for a cult list but they may strugle to win that way against unknown competitiors. Something like this may be a bit easier to use...

HQ - 1
1 Succubus Pistol, Agonizer

Elete - 0

Troops - 4
1 Hekatrix Pistol, vblade
7 Witches Splinter Pistol & CCW
1 Raider Dark Lance

1 Hekatrix Pistol, Agonizer, haywire
7 Witches Splinter Pistol & CCW, haywire
1 Raider Dark Lance

1 Warrior Blaster
4 Warrior Splinter Rifle
1 Venom Splinter Cannon x2, FF

1 Warrior Blaster
4 Warrior Splinter Rifle
1 Venom Splinter Cannon x2, FF

Fast Attack - 0

Heavy Support - 3
3 Ravager Dark Lance x3


Total= 986 points

[DeviantApostle]

FrostByteVA's called out the 'standard' recommended competitive build philosophy (assuming you're not going all out Warriors+Venom). Dark Lance spam kills the transports, Wyches bog down anything with a T value the Venoms can't kill. For your uses, I don't think that's a good idea. That list is designed to fight in tournaments, not friendly games.

I think you've got a good 'one of everything' philosophy here. Three things I would do (I'm assuming that your opponent isn't going to take an optimized list, though, don't take this advice to a tournament!).

1. Drop one of the Wrack Raiders for a Venom. Slap at least a Liquifier on that Haemonculus, maybe a special CCW (power weapon preferred).
2. Drop one of your Talos for a Cronos Parasite Engine. This will show off the rules for blast templates and AP. As a bonus, he can drop PTs on the Scourges and Beastmasters.
3. Scourge weapons... heat lances are useless on this platform unless you're Deep Striking. Even if you are, you have to DS far too close to a tank to be useful. If you're that close to marines, the Scourges are dead. Haywire Blasters or straight up Blasters are best, IMO. If you want to mix and match, take one of each of those.

[FrostByteVA]

Deviant's words hold true and if your friend will not regret spending $100+ on non-competive models, go that way for sure. I actually love some of the hami coven models and got them just to paint and play around with in fun games... 4 grots and a hami in a raider, talos (two old ones) and a new cronos. Plus, I find it easier to paint larger models as I work to improve my skill.

As to scourges, since you get one of each special weapons, I'd put the heat lance and the haywire on. You can 'count as' either way and I run one of each at 5 people or 2 of each at 10. That way, if you are out of range, you can still slow stuff down.

[Fallencarcass]

Great ideas DeviantApostle! I'm switching things up as I paint now.

FrostByteVA: You're confused, but understandably since I summarized the situation. The friend I'm teaching will be playing marines (he's still learning to play and will probably get a battleforce once he decides on his color of marine and I'll give him a couple of things to fill it out to 1k). I'm setting up a NONhardcore army to teach him how to play using DE stuff I already own. I do have a TB/Rav lance spam list too, but that's not all that fun to play and sucks to play against for a newer player.

Looking at the Haemo stuff I've been painting this week really makes me want to try it at 1.5k as a serious army. In a way it looks cooler than my normal force (maybe I'm just getting bored of Warriors/Wyches), but the better I'd build it the less true to theme it would become. I'm going to take DA's suggestions and see how I like it on the table while my friend builds his list up.