to the necrons it might as well be merging a horse and person.
to the necrons it might as well be merging a horse and person.
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exactly, we dont look at horse riders and go "ha! look, a mamle riding a mamle" so whats so ridiculus about a machine driving a machine, ecpecially when one machine is more intelligent than the other.
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Originally Posted by Maarten K
some of the descriptions in the book suggest the vehicles are smarter than the "pilots", or at least have better reflexes and grasp of rapid combat tactics. The pilot just presses the button labelled "dodge enemy fire and counterattack". Mind you many of the descriptions are self contradicting anyway.
Mark.
Everything breaks down, which in essence is why the Necrons have canoptek tech in the first place. If we really wanted to get into warhammer "logic" then the Necrons probably should just fight using canopteks and ctan but what fun would that be?
once again
and please read couple of post above, the reason is that having vehicle as an enhance of body makes the reaction time far shorter, as a machine there's no problem of plugin in to it and merging with the vehicle (see destroyers). Any comparison to horse riders seem to be absurd as there's no way You could plug in or merge rider with a horse (ofcourse we talk about those methods that aren't prohibited by law or generally thought to be an severe deviation) while there are ways of merging two machines in one with one being in control of the other(think of computers controling various machines). So if there's a lot of advanages of having warrior merged to their vehicle, as a some kind of body enhance over them having a pilot, with none major dissadvantages why the hell they would use a pilots instead? And please don't tell me that necrons would find this solution as a bizzare behavior as they don't have any problems with pluging their weapons to their bodies (see immortals) and they are still a mindless automatons all in all.Do You see the subtelle difference between merging two animals of different species in to one and merging two machines one with some sort of intelect to controll the other?
Necrons aren't just machines though, so it isn't merely a machine plugging into a machine as has been suggested in thread. Furthermore, warriors themselves wouldn't really offer an advantage of plugging into a system to begin with, inputting a mind into a machine that doesn't even have enough space for rudimentary speech doesn't sound like a brilliant solution. Remember, warriors were once common citizens who are now reduced to being mechanically embodied thralls.
I know you don't like the horse rider comparison, and yes it is absurd (to humans) but that is the point of using such an extreame example. To a join a necron with a vehicle you (for example) cut his legs off and connect the wires controlling his legs to the wires controlling the vehicles motion device and you seal\weld his body to stop there being any gaps. As far as a necron is concerned you chop a humans legs off, connect the humans nerv system to the horses and sew him in place, job done. We are all made of the same thing, made of the same basic organs and control those organs in the same way, much like a computer\machine. We are just programmed slightly differently.
Or to take the argument in another direction why fuse a necron to a machine? Why have a humaniod body at all? They could just transfer their consciousness in the craft. You could store all the necrons minds in a super comuter and just transfer them to the vehicles as needed.
I think the short answer is "Because they feel like it." The medium answer is "Fusing a Necron body with a machine is not acceptable in polite society, and two machines provide more focused maintenance."
Warriors may just be automatons, but there's obviously a reason for maintaining them as humanoids - otherwise, why give them legs at all if hovering platforms are more efficient? Necron Lords seem to enjoy the concept of acting like they did back when they were Necrontyr - you make your dynasty, have your servants and such milling about, and everyone walks around and rides Ghost Arks to work at the Canoptek Scarab FactoryDestroyers sit outside of all this in little camps, only mustered up for war when the dynasty has no choice but to wipe out the inhabitants of a planet due to retaliation or refusal to acquiese to Overlord/Phaeron requests.
There's some logic behind keeping them separate - swap them out on the fly, re-equip for different battle procedures, easier repair when the self-repair functions break down (which they do, otherwise Reanimation Protocols would work on a 1+
Now, I do need to check on what the warrior offers to the Tomb Blade, though. Given the warrior is effectively just hanging onto the TB and staring into the scope, I assume the warrior is taking care of firing and target selection while the TB is taking care of navigation. In this case, the TB is less a bike and more an incredibly well-trained steed. Could the TB have gotten the whole array of combat programming? Probably, but then you're left with another rather large construct that's not going to be effective in tight quarters (if you really want to send something big into a tight space, you use phase-shifting Wraiths). TB pilots can handle other needs while not zipping around and pulling triggers - plus members of the Royal Court don't go "The Phaeron is crazy! He's chopping off people's legs and merging them with mechanical steeds!"...which is the kind of thinking that leads to coups...
...and a little help comes in a little glass vial in a gun pressed against her anatomy...
You can always file off your nipples, it's easily done.
either its going to be some machine on robot action, which its probably impolite to molest the machines while in public or some people want some Voltron action, where several tomb blades merge together to make Necrosaurus death, Voltron edition. I cant say I blame the Voltron camp, the others though....THE SHAME.I think the short answer is "Because they feel like it." The medium answer is "Fusing a Necron body with a machine is not acceptable in polite society, and two machines provide more focused maintenance."
Warriors may just be automatons, but there's obviously a reason for maintaining them as humanoids - otherwise, why give them legs at all if hovering platforms are more efficient? Necron Lords seem to enjoy the concept of acting like they did back when they were Necrontyr - you make your dynasty, have your servants and such milling about, and everyone walks around and rides Ghost Arks to work at the Canoptek Scarab Factory
There's some logic behind keeping them separate - swap them out on the fly, re-equip for different battle procedures, easier repair when the self-repair functions break down (which they do, otherwise Reanimation Protocols would work on a 1+
Now, I do need to check on what the warrior offers to the Tomb Blade, though. Given the warrior is effectively just hanging onto the TB and staring into the scope, I assume the warrior is taking care of firing and target selection while the TB is taking care of navigation. In this case, the TB is less a bike and more an incredibly well-trained steed. Could the TB have gotten the whole array of combat programming? Probably, but then you're left with another rather large construct that's not going to be effective in tight quarters (if you really want to send something big into a tight space, you use phase-shifting Wraiths). TB pilots can handle other needs while not zipping around and pulling triggers - plus members of the Royal Court don't go "The Phaeron is crazy! He's chopping off people's legs and merging them with mechanical steeds!"...which is the kind of thinking that leads to coups...
I like to think (although I could be completely wrong) that although the TB does the flying, it is just a set of different programs and it is the warrior that through maybe something as basic as a survival instinct or maybe something more, chooses the program that is required throughout the battle. For example the TB maybe set on attack pattern C but as it gets nearer the warrior spots incoming interceptor craft and decides that attack pattern G is most suitable to complete the mission. Also as you say the warrior is also most likely controlling the weapon systems.
Why have a giant mechanical walking spider when you've basically made a huge monolith float across the battlefield?
GW: Because it's cool!
I have to say having thumbed through this month's WD the new necron stuff all looks tasty and despite the battlefield ineptitude of the stalker, I really would like one!
Hell I have been waiting for them to come out with the stalker so I could plan my army. And now that they have and I saw the model, I am buying two. I always build my army around the models I like(see my old two dreadknight army) However I think that having the triarch stalker will really open up some army lists and options that werent considered before. I am working on a 2 triarch, 2 dooms ark and a monolith list. Still nailing out the details but suffice to say I think it could be interesting to play. Will it be "optimized" nope but if adepticon and some other tournaments I have seen, a list you like and are good with is going to be better than most "optimized lists" Well ignoring grey knights that is, but any argument that references them is pretty much a moot point as they are for the most part broken in every way.
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Having looked at the Necron models with Necrons as the pilot, I have pin pointed what it is that I don't like... the Necrons pushing buttons and such. So I have used the cross armed Necron Warriors from the Ghost Ark as the crew on my models, and have removed the control panels. I also used the extended spine type thing to have the Necron 'hanging'. I'll post pictures soon enough.
The objective of the game is to win. The point of the game is to have fun. The two should never be confused.
I don't like pilots on my Necron Vehicles, I enjoy having them different from the other armies in the game by having none. Whether it follows fluff or not is a non issue with me.
This is my take on the Stalker (it was far less easier than expected to give it a descent looking "head" due to the amount of pieces that actually compose the pilot sit and how they stick with each others):
PS. The model is actually quite stable much to my surprise, as long as one of the front legs is to the ground it seems impossible to make it fall on its side.
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Is it a bird? Is it a plane? No, it's a miniature gallery!
nice job Archibald, its just missing an abdomen for the complete spider look, nice problem solving with the head.
Cool, were you able to get the kit early? Any chance you can put it next to an immortal or something for scale?
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Thanks guys.
Well, you know... I sell these kits so...Here is a pic with an Immortal and a Doomsday Ark for scale.
Is it a bird? Is it a plane? No, it's a miniature gallery!
awesome, thank you very much
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Of course there are crew members inside the Monolith!
http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/4562/manolito1.jpg
http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/1010/manolito2.jpg
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t...7/DSC00297.jpg
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http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t...7/DSC00326.jpg
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