Any possible way to use my Stormraven for Imperial fists without going OP?

[Fizzy]

I have just bought an awesome painted stormraven. But people tell me I should not use the blood angels codex for my army since its OP.

[Starchild]

Just because Blood Angels are relatively powerful doesn't mean you can't make a fair and balanced list out of the codex.

[Lord Damocles]

Depending on the weapon loadout, you could use it as a counts-as Forgeworld Stormeagle with Codex: Space Marines.

Whether this would help with the 'overpowered!' argument though, is another matter entirely...

[Frep]

Just use the Blood Angels codex and build your Fists list just like you would if you were using codex: Space Marines. Avoid using units like Sanguinary priests and Furiosio Librarian dreads and no one will have any reason to complain, not that they should anyhow.

[Killgore]

Keep it handy for Apocalypse games

[Casper Hawser]

It all depends on who you play if I was playing you I'd prefer if you used your Fists as codex marines with a Stormraven. Or like others have said use it as a Stormeagle I think you can download the rules on Forge world at the moment.
I don't think there's complaints about the Stormraven being overpowered just the tank spam some people use which is just boring and not what the BA are about they defintitly made a mistake giving the Blood Angels Razorbacks with that 35pt discount.

[Chem-Dog]

people tell me I should not use the blood angels codex for my army since its OP.

People are often wrong, as they are in this case.

The Blood Angels pay through the nose on all of the units that would make them "OP" meaning a BA list optimised to these units will be considerably smaller than a more balanced force drawn from the Vanilla Codex.

If you're busting a gut to use a (presumably) yellow Storm Raven, I say go for it but apply a few simple limits to your army.
Stick to only tactical and scout squads in your Troops Section.
Don't Deepstrike Land Raiders and buy them only for units that can take them in a regular Marines list.
Steer clear of bespoke BA units such as the Sanguinary Guard, Sanguinary Priests and Death Company.

Do this and you're pretty much golden as far as anyone who might have a complaint is concerned, you're not playing up the BA codex's advantages, you're simply bringing a best fit army that allows you to use a unit you can't otherwise use.

[Fizzy]

Thanks for your help No I was only planning on using the stormraven and then normal marines. It is upgraded with plasma cannons, multi melta and hurricane bolters.

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[chriscrowing]

But people tell me I should not use the blood angels codex for my army since its OP.

Hmn. Are these the people likely to be on the receiving end of your 'overpowered' (read: 'effective') unit?

If the loadout is game-legal (and as an official publication, Codex Blood Angels IS legal) then it should be fine - they CANNOT object without basically admitting they're afraid of their army getting smashed up. In the grim darkness of the far future, there is only war and that means no referees to complain about an OP army list. Grow a pair and open fire FFS!

If I saw such an awesome model across the table from me, I'd complement you on the purchase and resolve to shoot the beast down. Whether I suceed or not, we'll all have fun, which is the point right?

[WildWeasel]

That's doable for friendly games with opponents that are cool with. Just ask ahead of time, and have alternative lists ready in case. Works for my Wolves and their Stormraven.

[Fizzy]

Thanks. I'll be buying the BA codex soon

[ss_cherubael]

I love people who complain about stuff being "OP" I assume that they want everyone to just play Tau Empire lists :P

If you play with friends mainly you should have no problems using yellow blood angels...after all you could just call them lamenters.......

[Gargantuan]

I'd probably allow you to use a Stormraven in an Imperial Fist army if you're not a git. I don't like marines switching codexes so I would not play against an Imperial Fists army that uses the BA rules

[Cheeslord]

As long as you are fighting guard, space wolves, (other) blood angels, or Grey knights, using blood angels should be balanced - at least none of them have any grounds for complaining about BA rules in balance terms. if your opponents mainly play older codices however ... it seems like using a stormraven with vanilla marines is taking the less powerful option. I would be surprised if many opponents object (when the alternative is just playing Blood Angels)

Mark.

[Fizzy]

Well it is pretty easy to shoot it down. It should be here thursday or friday. Hopefully thursday so I can take a picture.

Thanks for all the comments.

[Paul 8v]

My group of mates just agreed I could use it in my normal space marines list minus the banzai jump out of the back whilst it's moving blood angels rule. You have to learn that anything that games workshop make that is a new release is "overpowered" Wargamers are probably the most negative whiney bunch of people in the world, this will never change :-)

[ErictheGreen]

I'd probably allow you to use a Stormraven in an Imperial Fist army if you're not a git. I don't like marines switching codexes so I would not play against an Imperial Fists army that uses the BA rules

why? There's absolutely no difference between seeing imperial fists and the "Ochre Knights". The imperial fists specialise in siege warfare. If that involves airdropping troops in using the storm raven, so be it.

I don't get the codex jumping hate. Dark Angels without Deathwing or Ravenwing are essentially Codex Marines. Would you complain if I used Codex: Space Marines for my PA dudes in dresses?

OP: Using the Blood Angel rules is fine. As long as your army is WYSIWYG, no-one can complain.

[Fizzy]

Always a WYSIWYG player

[AlphariusOmegon20]

Depending on the weapon loadout, you could use it as a counts-as Forgeworld Stormeagle with Codex: Space Marines.

Whether this would help with the 'overpowered!' argument though, is another matter entirely...

The load out on a storm eagle and a storm raven are roughly the same, no matter the configuration.


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[Dr.Clock]

Yeah... I'd have absolutely no problem with this.

If it were me, I'd ask first if I could just swap the 'Raven directly into the SM codex at the cost of... say... the Thunderfire cannon...

This would satisfy my own desire to use my IF as God-Emperor intended... without Red Thirst or fast armour.

Failing that, sure... just use the codex with the 'Raven in it.

Either way - whatever gets the shiny new model on the table is fine by me.

Cheers,

The Good Doctor.