2500 pt Sigmarite Empire Army List

[CM2728]

Fantasy Army: BoC

Hallo everyone,

This is my attempt to come up with a balanced 2500 Empire Army List with a Sigmarite feel to it. I would love some feedback as to whether this has the potential of being successful or not.

Lords

Arch Lector on War Altar
- Great Weapon + AoMI

Heroes

xxxx based on the rules played will take one of the two following xxxx
Special Chars allowed: Luthor Huss (Still my favorite special character)
Special Chars not allowed: Captain of the Empire
- Warhorse w/barding, Great weapon, Full Plate, Cloak of Ulric = 5 points less than Luthor Huss
xxxxxxxxx

Warrior Priest
- Great Weapon + AoSS

Captain of the Empire (BSB)
- Full Plate + Enchanted Shield

Master Engineer
- Repeater Pistol

Witch Hunter
- Brace of Pistols

Core

30 Swordsmen w/ Full Command
Det = 15 Halberdiers

20 Handgunners w/ Full Command (SGT w/Repeater Handgun)

9 IC Knights + Full Command
- Steel Standard

Special

30 Greatswords w/ Full Command w/Gleaming Pennant
Det = 15 halberdiers

8 Pistoliers w/ Outrider + Musician

Great Cannon

Rare

Hellblaster Volley Gun


Char Deployment


War Altar stays close to Swordsmen to buff and support in combat

Luthor Huss/Mounted Captain => ICC Knights

WP + Witch Hunter => Great Swords

BSB => Swordsmen

Master Engineer => Hellblaster Volleygun (of course)

[GodlessM]

I am starting to wonder if the majority of Warseer members play in metas without war machines and anything S5/6+, as the importance of Ward Saves (particularly in the Empire threads) seems to be lost on people these days.

[CM2728]

Care to elaborate?

[GodlessM]

I thought "war machines and anything S5/6+" was clear enough.

[CM2728]

Not really,

The War Alter itself has a 4+ War save that should keep it safe from shooting and even if attacked by a str 6 char the AL would still have a 4+ save left.

My char in the hardest hitting unit, which is the one I would try to kill monsters with (if Ican't shoot them) have wards; which is either Luthor Huss (4+ ward) or the mounted captain (-1 to hit and +5 war through white cloak of Ulric)

No, not every char I have has a ward save, but is that really neccessary?

Rather than some cryptic 1 line responses, I would appreciate some detailed feedback, what would you change? You obviously have a lot of experience as an Empire player, and I am just starting out here.

[Gharnukk]

Rather than some cryptic 1 line responses, I would appreciate some detailed feedback, what would you change? You obviously have a lot of experience as an Empire player, and I am just starting out here.

Amen brother! He ask for advice here.

[Jind_Singh]

I like it - other than not sure what role the pistoliers fufill?

I really don't know how to get use out this strange unit - for the most part they hit on sixes to shoot, are not very good in a fight, and as for redirecting they are not the best!

[Count Zero]

Unfortunately the War Altar ward no longer transfers to the Arch Lector

[CM2728]

Count Z: true, but the chances of hitting the crew (i.e. the Arch Lector) ist still pretty slim if I remember my distributions correctly (don't have the book with me right now)

Jind S: Thanks for the input. I had luck with the Pistoiers during one of my first games, and I've tried them since with very limited success as an harrasment/march blocker unit.

Going with my Sigmarite theme, I was thinking of switching them out and finding some points for a small unit of flagellants. They would take one flank and the knights the other.....

[Lord Solar Plexus]

There is no chance of distribution sadly. A template like a cannon ball will always hit mount/chariot and rider. Has been like this for two years actually...

Ignore Godless, he's always like that. If you question his wisdom, you'll just end up on his ignore list.

My biggest gripe with your list, as with 99 percent of Empire lists these days is the lack of fighting troops. Units of 30 humans are not a fighting unit IMO and IME. Okay, 30 Greatswords is decent enough but that's about it. Prayers are nifty but can and will be dispelled, and one or two rounds of low magic means such units get stomped into the ground.

Knights are a wee bit cheaper. That doesn't mean they suddenly kill more. They will get stuck even in...uh, well, 30 men units. The problem is that you need to gang up on both stronger and more numerous enemies. It could well be that you don't even outnumber Lizards or Elves, or not by much, and your Swordsmen are individually weaker than the same number of Orcs (shields or AHW, doesn't matter) or Clanrats.

[CM2728]

Lord S P: Thanks for the info, I have not had a chance to play as much as I'd like, so I completely overlooked the template you referred to.

Adding a unit offlaggs seems more and more appealing. I'll probably drop the pistoliers to add them instead. willhave to modify someother units too,but I think having a second hrd hitting unit like you said would be beneficial.

[Graxy]

In all honesty, I'm surprised that you didn't have flaggs in the list to start with considering the link between them and priests in the old book (Don't know if that link's still in their fluff any more, havent really been bothered to look through the fluff in the new book. Yes it does change), but hey, it's your list not mine

Reading the other comments about pistoliers, I'd have to say I agree with the majority. Although my love for pistoliers has literally no bounds, I'd have to say that stubborn greatsword detatchments just do their job better. Plus, like you said, dropping them does give some points towards the flaggs. I'd say if you take the flaggs though, take at least 35, just because now, they can either kill themselves of too quickly which makes them better, but takes away from the unit quicker than you'd like, or don't kill themselves at all, which leaves them quite below par. They are good but like witch hunters (IMO) are a bit situational. Maybe if you're struggling for points, drop the hangunners size a bit (Unless they are filling core, I haven't done any calculations here so my apologies).

Liking the theme mate, hope it goes well

[Jind_Singh]

Ward does transfer does it not? Seems strange if it doesn't - but then again very well could be as a riders ward save doesn't carry over to the beast he rides so in a warped sense the chariot not giving it's ward save to the Arch Lector makes perverted sense - but if this is indeed the case that's a big fail in my eyes.

[mike20]

unfortunately, ward does NOT transfer, but that doesnt mean you cant have him protected. I would say drop the AoMI and go with talisman of protection, HA, enchanted shield and sword of might. This will give you a 2+/4++ while only losing 1 str in an attack, but gaining the possibility that you will attack first anyways. Scrape some points off the pistolier for the sword of might and your set. ALso, no horn of sig for the altar? terror can be funny at time ...... OR if you plan to get down and dirty with the AL, try the white cloak, shimmering scales, and sword of attack. 4+/5++ (2++vs flame) but -2 to hit in combat (6's for most units/5 for enemy chars). With this you will be really hard to hit, and still have some armour if you are. Also, with hate & potential re-roll wound buff, the extra attack might be more handy than the extra str. Your choice though.

cheers

[CM2728]

@ Graxy, yeah I know...flaggs should have been in since the beginning.....unfortunately I didn't have the models something I intend to rectify soon.

@ Mike, awesome advice, thanks!!! I'll play around with some set ups and see what I come up with.

Will post an updated list next week. thanks everyone!!

[CM2728]

@ Graxy, yeah I know...flaggs should have been in since the beginning.....unfortunately I didn't have the models something I intend to rectify soon.

@ Mike, awesome advice, thanks!!! I'll play around with some set ups and see what I come up with.

Will post an updated list next week. thanks everyone!!