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You mean Orks? Orks are still actually pretty awesome. The trouble with older codices versus newer codices is that with older codices you don't get the luxury of throwing *anything* at your opponent and winning against older codices. The older a Codex gets, the more restricted certain options get in terms of competitiveness. Orks still have a number of competitive builds that are not only varied, but fun to play and fun to play against.Originally Posted by Alarum
I hope that doesnt mean DA get the "test" codex for the new edition, and that it comes in hard back. We all know how the last test panned out.
In my meta, girls play Necron and Space Wolves. I've never seen a single girl play SoB, though I have seen a number play Tyranids. I've asked girl gamers their opinion on SoB, and the response I get typically is 'ew'.
And of course, I'll just tack on that rumors are rumors. I could be dead wrong, I'll be the first to admit that, but I do trust my source, and while the reasons may not make a whole lot of sense and may not have any sort of reference behind them, the logic of the releases still does make sense from a business/trend standpoint.
I wouldn't mind whether I'm right or wrong. I'm just waiting for Chaos to get an update so I can field my Slaanesh army again...
Last edited by Darnok; 17-04-2012 at 06:45.
Too much contradictions to previous rumours, and too much contradictions in itself to my taste.
With May/June being close we'll see soon enough though.
Chaos vs DA makes sense if we take in account that chaos can be cooltist/traitor guard, and then, is not PA vs PA. Just saying.
I would personally be surprised to see Eldar in the Box-Set. I'm fairly confident that they won't be too far off of 6th Edition, but if they were going to be coming out that soon then I would have expected far more in the way of rumors for them. So far, the only things I've seen for Eldar lately have been you and one other person (I think it was Harry a little bit back) saying that they would be in the box set. With several other armies all being rumored to have imminent releases for some time (Tau, Black Templars, Chaos), I'm just very skeptical of Eldar randomly jumping in front of all of them, 'just cause'.
I dunno I'm hoping against all hope that dark angels and chaos get the box, because it would be awesome.
And a canny player would make a fallen chaos army.
Warhammer 6th edition.
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Blood angels: wins:2 draws:0 losses:1.
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DA vs. Eldar I can believe, I guess. It makes sense from a business standpoint; this said, I do not, by any stretch of the imagination, can believe that they're currently the worst selling army (seriously, worse than sisters of battle?). This makes the rest of the rumours dubious at least. I guess we´ll see in a couple of months. Thanks for the info either way.
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So we went from Chaos vs Eldar, to Chaos vs DA, to DA vs Eldar. The cycle is now complete (and the starter will probably be IG vs Nids)
Of all the threads in all the forums in all the world you had to post into this one.
I don't see why it should be "against all hope". At least in my opinion the variant of Chaos vs. DA is still the most likely, supported by some solid rumours - as solid as rumours can be.
Anyway, I wanted to add some thanks to the OP. Even if these turn out to be wrong.
This just tells me that the next three releases will be Eldar, Chaos, and Dark Angels, not necessarily in that order.
You're welcome. Just thought you all should know what I heard, even if it's wrong. After all, aren't a large percent of rumormongers eventually glaringly wrong in their predictions anyway? Time will tell.
This, and the fact that starter sets usually come with a small elite army vs a horde army, both in Fantasy and 40K (Fantasy: HE vs Goblins (4th), Bret vs Lizardmen (5th), Empire vs Orcs (6th) (well, maybe not this one), Dwarfs vs Goblins (7th), HE vs Skaven (8th); 40K: SM vs Orks (2nd), SM vs DE (3rd) (well, maybe not this one), SM vs Tyranids (4th), SM vs Orks (5th)).Can you imagine what would happen with Eldar? You'd have the noobs fighting each other to play the Marines because the Eldar die too easily
Since it will always be SM vs ?, and Eldar can hardly be called a horde army, I have my doubts.
Which horde armies are out there? Orks, Tyranids and IG. Maybe it's Tyranids again with a new codex coming soon?
We'll just have to wait and see.
Results in the past are no guarantee for the future.
I’m only stating my opinion, it’s not fact.
As much as I want a new Chaos codex this year I do think having Eldar in the starter box will be a good move. Two power armour armies will be a bit silly. With so many conflicting rumours about I'll take it all with salt
Again most rumors say chaos cultists are the majority.
Can you imagine what would happen with Eldar? You'd have the noobs fighting each other to play the Marines because the Eldar die too easilyThat's +2 for my Necrons in the set -hunch
If the trend to make 40k more 'shooty' is continuing through to 6th then putting Eldar in the box against Marines makes a lot of sense. They're one of the original 40k races and pack enough AP3 weapons to level out the toughness issues. Its a great way to introduce Players to the idea of fragile hard hitting troops vs tough all rounders. Not to mention they've not had a codex since early 5th.
I think it is a given that DA will be in the new box. They are in the starter paint set, the image on the spine of WD, etc. What I would say though, I have seen a sprue from the starter paint set (it was on ebay) and the DA shoulder pads are separate from the body of the marine. How much effort would it take to sculpt a different pad for chaos marines ? I think it would be pretty easy to do this, add to this a new weapon etc and you could have 2 distinct marines one for chaos one for DA with very little effort and an almost identical sprue for both. Before you say this would provide too much value it would take a fair bit of effort to convert these snap on pads and weapons to be able to use all the marines in the set for a single army and the only place you could get these would be in the box set. I doubt the likes of chapterhouse would be able to supply pads and weapons that would fit as GW would soon act to prevent this. If this did happen then you would be able to get together with someone and and split the contents of two boxes but then that has always been possible and I can't really think of any way to prevent this and still maintain the value of the box contents.
I don't think that it would entirely impossible for there to be two box sets, indeed I think it would be a great idea. I used to play Orcs and Goblins in WFB a long long time ago when they were in the starter set. Just now in the WFB starter set it is High Elves and Skaven. As much I would like to get back into it the starter set holds no appeal to me because of its contents. Now if there was another box set of say Orcs vs Empire in addittion to this then I would buy that instead. Would the increased sales from this justify the extra cost to produce two sets? I'm not sure but I think it might be worth GW trying to find this out.
I believe in these rumors, given the sheer hate GW has for Chaos (and Chaos players).
Pushing forward a much needed upgrade for a (former) major army is just another step towards the inevitable squatification of Chaos.
6th Edition, with DA vs Eldar, will reflect the new Xenohammer background, which sees the Imperium fighting against the alien threat.
Hmmmmms........
Firstly, thank you for sharing this. You seem confident in your source (even though it's third hand - horses mouth, to him, to you) and it isn't just a redshirt, as we know they are treated like mushrooms these days.
Edition releases have traditionally been July, with a month to settle in and the box set released in september at UK games day. We have never had a new codex 1 month before the new rules, simply because it doesn't make business sense to drop the hardback rulebook just after what is (hopefully) a big spending month for a new army. A new codex just after the hard back rulebook only makes sense if that army is in the starter set. By that logic, if we are getting a new 40k codex, it should be May OR July. We can expect that race to be in the starter set in September.
As to your points about Eldar:
A: need to see evidence for this. most girls I've seen in the game play Tyranids. The aesthetic of the Eldar may well appeal to women, but I'd posit that if you're into 40k as a girl, you're into the Grimdark side. I can certainly see girls picking up High/Dark/Wood Elves in Fantasy, but space elves is debatable.
B: Tau? Demons? Sisters? all these armies are very, very rarely seen. I do see a smattering of Eldar, again, because they have a great aesthetic and their models (even though some are heinously old) are gorgeous, so you can put up with the lower power level. I don't buy this. Particularly because of the next point...
C: Yes. Yes it does. They have been an iconic race in the game for many a year. HOWEVER...while they are Xenos, they don't fill the traditional bad guy role like Chaos, Nids and Orks do. Eldar are mysterious, scheme-y and capricious. They are just as likely to ally with Imperial forces as destroy them. That doesn't make for a stand alone game unless there's some fluff retconning.
I would imagine that Chaos vs. Dark Angels would only work if Chaos got a fairly hefty overhaul and had cultist troop units, who would be the bulk of the box. Likely this would mean Legion units gain a jump on the power scale, with special HQs to allow Legion lists without cult support. That's pure speculation, but I agree that 2 power armoured armies in the box is a step away from all the box releases GW have ever done.
The biggest one that gets me is Dark Angels in May. We have StickMonkey, who's traditionally pretty reliable saying Dark Angels won't see any love until 2013 and Harry saying Chaos are likely to be the first 6th ed codex (meaning it would make sense for them to be in the box).
I have my own source, who's seen the playtesting rules for 6th, Tau, Chaos, and Eldar (but no mention of Templars or Dark Angels), which makes me think StickMonkey may be right. having said that, the process from playtesting to release can be a hugely lengthy one, as other rumour mongers will attest to. The Sisters plastics, for example, are supposed to have been ready to go (as in, the designs to create the mold tools) for the last 5 years, but they sit on the shelf. Whether that's true or not, I do recall Harry saying how much stuff he's seen that is years away or simply never gets released.
There's so many conflicting rumours floating around that all much be huge pile of salt territory.
I tip my hat to Harry, Hastings, drbored and others who provide us with these snippets and keep us excited. I suppose May will be a big indicator as to what is coming.
except Chaos is central to the entire mythos of 40k from the imperial perspective and plays a great part in the Eldar/Dark Eldar background as well.
Given that the Grey Knights and Necron codexes point to an increasing threat of Chaos (if you can stomach the Ward fluff, it's quite plain to see in the GK book) and the HUGE following Chaos has (nearly every gamer I know has a legion army collecting dust), I can't see the focus of 6th being Xenoshammer.
Last edited by ErictheGreen; 17-04-2012 at 10:26.
Seriously?! Have you not looked on the black LIbrary shelf lately? Chaos are everywhere. As long as there are marines there will be evil marines. Even if they don't come in a box set together.
I say save the Chaos vs. SM starter box for 7th edition when they drop all Xenos army and change the name to Warhammer 30k.
Eldar vs SM could work since not all of their units are really that fragile. Reapers, Scorpions, Jetbikes, and a wave serpent vs dread, marines, terminators, and a pred would be on par really.
I just wany some actual confirmations on something... or the days to go by quicker as Eldar or Dark Angels (or both!) is all cool with me.
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