Doom Diver and infatry bases?

[Glenn87]

I was playing a game the other day with my O&G vs Skaven, when some guy (who always comments people's games, annoyingly) started trolling that I was cheating because I use the large flying base as Doom Divers Base.
I said that it was the base that came with the box, so that's the one I'm using.
I just wanted to know what you guys think about this?


Then, awile ago, me and some friends had a discussion about Infantry bases. Does it specify anywhere wich base goes on wich model?
I know most Chaos models come with 25mm bases, and Elves come with 20mm. But What if someone puts Elves on 25mm (to get less hits from templates) or Chaos warriors on 20mm (to get more models in base contact).
Not that anyone does it at our shop, but it just intrigued me.

[Rosstifer]

My mate's Doomdivers use the flying base that looks to be about 25mm round at the bottom, I think this is what it is supposed use. Doesn't make much difference, those things are super accurate anyways!

[Glenn87]

My mate's Doomdivers use the flying base that looks to be about 25mm round at the bottom, I think this is what it is supposed use. Doesn't make much difference, those things are super accurate anyways!

I think that's the small one.
Actually, it makes a BIG difference.
The smaller one is about the seize of an infantry round base, while the big one is just a little smaller then the small round template.
With the bigger one, you can hit about 2-3 units (if they're close enough).

[SteelTitan]

You have to use the bases that the models come with. Sometimes this gets trickier (discussion-wise) when there are old and new models of the same unit entry (e.g. old vs new griffon).

However, if you use different-sized bases for such gains, you're just plain cheating. If I came across a player with Chaos Warriors on 20mm bases, I would have a hard time not throwing my tape measure at his head.

Personally, I thought that the Doom Diver came with a smaller flying base (the one that the old fell bats are on in contrast to the ones you get with for instance Eldar Jetbikes).

[Snake1311]

Using the wrong base size is illegal.
The 'correct' base size is the one supplied with the model.

[Glenn87]

Using the wrong base size is illegal.
The 'correct' base size is the one supplied with the model.

are you reffering to the infantry or to the Doom Diver?

[Arnizipal]

I bought my Doom Diver years ago, and it came with the large round base.
That's what I've been using so far but I must admit the thing is stupidly accurate.

[Glenn87]

I asked our local store manager, and he made a ruling that you can use either one (as the same model came with either the small or large flying base, as mine came with the large one).

[Akkaryn]

Generally most people I've come across accept for models that you use the base it comes with or bigger.

I would assume however that this doesn't count towards the doom diver.

[Urgat]

I bought my Doom Diver years ago, and it came with the large round base.
That's what I've been using so far but I must admit the thing is stupidly accurate.

Mine too, it's the bigger flying base. Which is a good thing, because it's already apt to topple at the lightest breeze as it is.

[drunkendwarf]

Isn't basesize irrelevant as you mark the spot where it will land; so you can mark a model and total hits inflicted are against that model (or unit). I believe you don't use base size or a template. Must say I haven't read the book for 7 months.

DJ

[Urgat]

Nah, every unit under the base is hit.

[Alebelly_Cragfist]

Base sizes are one way GW uses to balance the game as you can only attack opponents in base contact. Smaller bases generally allow for more attacks as more bases come into contact with an opponent. For instance, a row of 10 dwarfs = 20cm. If they came into contact with an Orc unit and line up correctly, it would be 10 Dwarfs vs 8 Orcs (25mm x 8 = 20cm).

The flip side of this is of course that template hits can really hurt.

[Supervillain]

Base sizes are one way GW uses to balance the game as you can only attack opponents in base contact. Smaller bases generally allow for more attacks as more bases come into contact with an opponent. For instance, a row of 10 dwarfs = 20cm. If they came into contact with an Orc unit and line up correctly, it would be 10 Dwarfs vs 8 Orcs (25mm x 8 = 20cm).

The flip side of this is of course that template hits can really hurt.

If the orc unit also is 10 wide it will be 10 Dwarves vs 10 Orcs because models in corner contact also attack.

[SVKBaki]

Or you can use apocalypse templates for doom diver lol. I share the opinion of the guy who accused you of cheating, as normally for doom diver there should be that roughly 25mm transparent small flying base as the bigger one gives you unfair advantage.

[Duke Ramulots]

My doom divers all came with the small round flying base(about 35-38mm) and would expect to be called a cheater if i used the large base as the advantage would be huge.

[Andy p]

If the orc unit also is 10 wide it will be 10 Dwarves vs 10 Orcs because models in corner contact also attack.

A rule which people never fail to come into contention about. Maybe im just unlucky in my opponents....

Much like scatter dice...

[Cambion Daystar]

Nah, every unit under the base is hit.

Did that change in the latest book?

[Urgat]

Yep, it did indeed.

[Alebelly_Cragfist]

If the orc unit also is 10 wide it will be 10 Dwarves vs 10 Orcs because models in corner contact also attack.

It depends on how you line up bases. The most favourable line up for the 20mm bases would only allow for 1 extra diagonal attack from a 25mm base, if you line up one edge to one edge (left or right alignment). If you centre align, then yes, you can attack with all 10, but I'm not sure that this is very sporting.