First try at 2000pts VC, need help

[orik]

Fantasy Army: Vampires

Hi all, this is my first attempt at writing a Warhammer list, so hear goes

Lords
Vampire lord, level 3 wizard, Red Furry, Quick blood, heavy armour, sword of bloodshed/ogre blade, enchanted shield, Talisman of preservation -466pts

Hero's
Necromancer, level 2, master of the dead -120pts
Necromancer, level 1 -65pts
Necromancer, level 1 -65pts
Wright King, barded skeletal steed -105pts
Wraith -60pts

Core
50 skeletons, FC -280pts
20 Zombies, standard, musician -70pts
5 dire wolves -40pts
20 skeletons, champion -110pts

Special
6 crypt horrors -228pts
9 Black knights, barding, lances, hell knight, standard -254pts

Total 1863pts

Lord is meant to be a killy Vamp lord, only problem Is that he doesn't have the best unit to stick with. At the moment he's in the 50 man skelly unit.

Level 2 necro goes in the 20 man skelly bunker, increases its size as they march. The wraith goes in hear as well, to act as the neroc bodyguard. Zombies stick close to this regiment.

Other necros go in the zombie and skelly unit, and act as the army's backup spell casters.

Wright King rides with the black knights, and act as a hammer, will work alongside the crypt horrors, who will act as my main anvil.

This list is meant to be a 2000pts list, but don’t know what to spend the last 137pts on. I would like to try to fit in a mortis engine or a Terrogheist, but at the moment can't find a way to fit one of the two. If there is no real way, I guess I will have to settle for a corpse cart, some more magic weapons and crypt horrors.

Any feedback will be much appreciated

Thanks,
Orik

[Mostream]

Unless you have too little Core units, i dont think that you should have a 50 man skelly unit from the get go. since you got the master of the dead i'd suggest drop 10 skellies from the 50 man unit and give it the screaming banner (extra dice to fail the feartest is always nice). also. this unit should be your main anvil, not the Crypt horrors. 1 rank of them isn't enough for a main anvil, IMO.

I cant see any flyers at all. How are you going to deal with warmachines and to hunt down mages?

Here i suggest to get some fellbats. (3x3 or 3x2 should give your opponent something to think about)

you have a decent amount of magic levels, so that's ok. But what if you happen to roll the dreaded snake eyes in the winds of magic? In this respect i always try to squeeze in the Black periapt. But seeing the hefty lord you got there i dunno if you can.. But just a thought.

Otherwise i like the list. Solid core with magic support and then hardhitting hammers.

[hightimes]

imo i'd drop 1 of the lvl 1 necro's and equip the other one with a scroll as its always handy to have one as a backup.
20 zombies arn't going to do alot either unless you can raise that unit up like hell too.
atm my brain isnt switched on so cant think of what to recommend to take as well with the point left if i think of anything i'll come back ^^

[sugnathefeeble]

Take a unit of 625 zombies 2 units of spirt hosts and 3 necromancer deploy in a 6 foot wide horde

[Askari]

Here i suggest to get some fellbats. (3x3 or 3x2 should give your opponent something to think about)

Good lord no! Fell bats are horrendously bad. 6 Crypt Horrors is 2 ranks of models as well, by the by. And where exactly is he supposed to put the Black Periapt? It's not even that good, as it sucks up your dispel dice. Having a combat Lord negates some of the problems of snake eyes winds of magic anyway - as you're not so reliant on magic. I agree about the Skeletons however, with a Master of the Dead Level 2 you can probably split them 2x25 to get better Invocations off of them.

As for what I'd do;

Drop one of the Level 1 Necromancers and the Wight King for a mounted Vampire instead. The Vampire can then help resurrect fallen Black Knights - who may very well be out of range of your other casters. If you jig points around a bit, probably means dropping the Wraith, you should be able to afford a Varghulf, who excels at smashing flanks and warmachines, and as it's a Vampire doesn't need to be near the General.

I like the Vampire Lord, even if it sounds rather familiar

[orik]

Thanks again Askari.

So I will drop the wraith, a lvl1 necro and the Wright king for a lvl1 vampire with barded nightmare, a Varghulf and the Book of Arkhan (with the left over 25pts)

I like the Vampire Lord, even if it sounds rather familiar

I wonder why

with my core, I was now thinking of running
30 skelitons, Full command, screaming banner -205pts
30 zombies, Musician, standard bearer -100pts
5 dire wolves -40pts
25 skeletons, Full command -155pts
total 500pts
is this better than before?

The mounted vampire build, I was thinking of
Vampire, level 1 wizard, barded nightmare, heavy armour, shield, Dark acolyte, Fear Incarnate -167pts
Is this the sort of build I want? or would simply red fury be better?

Thanks to all for the feedback so far,
Orik

[Askari]

Core sounds fine, try to keep both Skeleton units in range of the Master of the Dead Necromancer, for obvious reasons, and they all three blocks should build up enough to work.

The mounted Vampire's entire purpose is to Invocation up, so long as he's reasonably defensive (but of course, give him a Lance, there's no reason not to) and kept cheapish (which you have) he should work fine.

[orik]

hears the new list

Lords
Vampire lord, level 3 wizard, Red Furry, Quick blood, Fear Incarnate, heavy armour, sword of bloodshed/ogre blade, enchanted shield, Talisman of preservation -486pts

Hero's
Necromancer, level 2, master of the dead -120pts
Necromancer, level 1 -65pts
Vampire, level 1, Barded Nightmare Aura of Dark Majesty, Summon creatures of the Night, Heavy Armour, Shield, Lance -170pts

Core
30 skeletons, Full command, screaming banner -205pts
30 zombies, Musician, standard bearer -100pts
5 dire wolves -40pts
25 skeletons, Full command -155pts

Special
6 crypt horrors -228pts
9 Black knights, barding, lances, hell knight, standard -254pts

Rare
Varghulf -175pts

Total -1998pts

Well, hears the tactics
Killy Vamp lord goes in the 30 man skelly unit with screaming banner.

Lvl2 necro goes with the other skelly unit, sticks close to the other skelly unit, casts invocation to increase both units size. Other necro goes with the zombies

The mounted vamp goes with the black knights, which stick with the dire wolves (so I can increase their size), and acts as the hammer

Crypt horrors act as an Anvil/tie units up

Varghulf protects flanks/goes war machine hunting.

All wizards use lore of vamps. Lvl1's swap whatever spells they get for invocation

I've noticed that with a bit of rearranging, I could drop the Varghulf for a Terroghiest.
Would anyone recommend this?

Any feedback much appreciated,
Thanks, Orik

[meowser]

I'd take a Terrorgheist over Varghulf, especially since you have very little chaff, and thus not many ways to deal with your opponent's chaff.

6 Crypt Horrors in not enough. I find 8 to be the magic number. I'd drop the naked L1 necro, you don't need 3 backup casters. I'd also drop SCotN. That's 80 points to buff up the Horrors to 8.
I'd also find points for a dispel scroll on the L2 necro.